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How many members here can accomplish this drill?

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View Poll Results: From CC can you draw, fire and effectiely hit the target in 2 seconds?

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    I was practicing this at the range Saturday averaging 1.7 seconds shooting at 7 yards.


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    This many people can draw from a CONCEALED holster and hit their x in a "1 one thousand 2 one thousand?"

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    Part of my agency qualification course of fire is to draw from concealment and put two rounds on target in two seconds. This stage is run three times during the course of fire. So, yes, I can do it. :)
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyz_grace View Post
    This many people can draw from a CONCEALED holster and hit their x in a "1 one thousand 2 one thousand?"
    A lot depends on how/where you carry, how far the target is, and how big your "x" is... But, yes, from a strong-side belt holster (or similar), at 7 yards or less, you should be able to put two rounds into the torso of a man-sized target within two seconds.
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    Pretty sure I can do it from my IWB or OWB and untucked shirt/jacket, and I'm assuming you're talking 3-7 yards. Haven't practiced 2 seconds for one hit, but w/instructor last weekend at the range I re-verified strings of 2 hits under 3 sec at both ranges, and did so with time to spare, so I figure I'm close.

    No from deep cover like I'm wearing now (511 holster shirt). Not optimal, but given required location and clothing, it's the best compromise. Much rather, like Gene83 says above, to be able to move/hide then draw instead of asking permission a gunman, "Hey, you mind if I go get something out of the parking lot?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    A lot depends on how/where you carry, how far the target is, and how big your "x" is... But, yes, from a strong-side belt holster (or similar), at 7 yards or less, you should be able to put two rounds into the torso of a man-sized target within two seconds.
    Zoiks. My answer should be "never tried" since they don't allow it at my range, but I said no since I'm certain that I couldn't. Just because of my frame and the clothes I wear, I carry pretty deep at maybe 4 or 5. I practice drawing unloaded occasionally and it's getting better, but still awkward. Guess I have some work to do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyz_grace View Post
    This many people can draw from a CONCEALED holster and hit their x in a "1 one thousand 2 one thousand?"
    Considering the nature of this forum, it tends to attract LEO's, military, and just general firearm specialists. I haven't seen any responses that I'd balk at?

    Besides, the person that does fib gains nothing, and I lose nothing at their indiscretion.
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    If it's any consolation, lyz_grace, none of us could do it the first time we strapped on a pistol, either... :)
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyz_grace View Post
    This many people can draw from a CONCEALED holster and hit their x in a "1 one thousand 2 one thousand?"
    It really is not difficult if dressed correctly with good holster. We use to practice dry firing doing this about 30 times a day during initial training. Doing that for weeks does build up the muscle memory and it becomes instinct. Just do it a few times a day. Start slow and do every step correct. You will have it down in no time.

    Oh, yes I can

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    With my EDC yes. In two seconds I can get 4 hits dead center. If I push it, 5 to 6. Im still working on getting that number up to 7. It is a drill that I regularly practice...This is at 5 yards. Round count decreases at great distance......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    With my EDC yes. In two seconds I can get 4 hits dead center. If I push it, 5 to 6. Im still working on getting that number up to 7. It is a drill that I regularly practice...This is at 5 yards. Round count decreases at great distance......
    It's even more fun with multiple targets. Give 'em two each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHEC724 View Post
    It's even more fun with multiple targets. Give 'em two each.
    LOL, I run the drill on reactive targets. We shoot them to the ground. Be it 1 shot or 5 they all get shot to the ground....

    Edit: It also allows for reload and malfunction work. (if there are any malfunctions)
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    My instructor (a POST certified law enforcement trainer) made it clear to me that you are more likely to survive an encounter if you can deliver three rounds on target in the first 2 seconds of an encounter than not. He made me do it over & over & over till I was successful several times in a row. He still makes me demonstrate the ability frequently.

    I pray I never have to find out, but I sure want to be prepared if I ever have to prove it in anything other than training.
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    Yes, as soon as I complete JD's Chinese fire drill...

    Sorry couldn't help myself.
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    I voted "yes," but I think the question/poll needs to be quantified a bit better - a distance as well as target size along, with method of concealment, should've been specified.

    From personal experience, in still being a relatively new shooter with relatively little training (I know that some would argue this, but in all honesty, this is how I truly feel), I think that anyone - bar either some very specific physical handicaps or the use of "deep concealment" gear - who puts their will to it can quite quickly and easily achieve the benchmark that was the Gunsite "School Drills" standard (1.5 seconds for one round to the head at three yards, and 1.5 seconds for two rounds to the center of mass at seven yards, beginning with a holstered gun but without cover clothing), while actually clearing cover clothing, drawing from-concealment, and getting off the X.

    I'd only been shooting for 9 months (no, that doesn't mean that I'd been competing for 9 months - that's my actual "time behind the gun") when one of my local pistol instructors - Bill Holcomb, of Three Tango Firearms Academy - pushed me to achieve this standard. It can be done by anyone who puts their willpower to it.

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