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OWB at the range, I can do it pretty consistently our to 7 yards, typically with a second round within two seconds. IWB, which is how I typically carry, it varies somewhat depending on what I am wearing, but I am still close to two seconds
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OWB at the range, I can do it pretty consistently our to 7 yards, typically with a second round within two seconds. IWB, which is how I typically carry, it varies somewhat depending on what I am wearing, but I am still close to two seconds
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Yes and it's all done while GOTX (Getting Off The X). The question I want to ask is "can you do it without getting shot yourself"? Because if you are not moving you are most likely getting shot. Yep you can make those hits but if he hits you too you both die. BIG WIN RIGHT!
Can't draw or move at your range then do dry gun practice in your bedroom. Dry fire practice has far more advantages than most think.
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Sounds like you need to speed thing up Bro....Originally Posted by TSiWRX
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Standing yes, sitting not so quick so I'd have to be sneaky ; )
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I might agree with your reasoning as I would find it difficult to crouch, drag my pants leg up high enough to get over my riding boots to get at my concealed carry firearm in under 2 seconds. Which is why I voted, I have never tried it.
When I was working Armed Private Security Officer in South Carolina, it was part of our firearm qualifications to be holding a clip board in one hand, a pen in the other, have a target pop-up (or someone shout Gun!) and we had less then 2 seconds to put a round in a 4 inch circle about 7 to 15 feet from us. We had to do that 4 out of 5 times to qualify for that portion of the firearms certification. Agreed, we were openly carrying a sidearm with a thumb break or thumb strap.. no second shots allowed in any of the tries.. I had no problems with doing it... many did..
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^ Yep. For those whose lifestyle demands deeper concealment, I think they need another standard to train against and be judged by.
Look at the F.A.S.T. drill/test from pistol-training.com . Performance is rigorously quantified as to gear, etc.
I do not think that it is my place to judge how anyone else may choose to carry - it's a compromise we each make, based on many different factors in our own lives. However, I just as strongly believe that to improve, the shooter must quantify their performance, and seek to better it through rigorous practice: and that this self-criteria can apply to any carry method.
^Sounds like you need to speed thing up Bro....Not to worry, bruddah, that's something that I'm always working on!
Even without all the other things I learned from Bob Vogel a few weekends ago, the one thing that I realized is how much competition shooting can help me simply "shoot the gun" and "run the gun." This was the main driving impulse behind me having done a 180 in my mind, and now wanting to compete, ASAP.
Before, I'd been convinced that "gun gaming" could potentially ingrain methodology that would be less-than-optimal when street-survival was the true goal. Therefore, I avoided any thought of competition.
Today, I still believe that line of thinking does hold certain truths. However, at the same time, I've come to the realization that there's really nothing like competition - short of an actual gun-fight - to require marksmanship and competency in movement (including efficiency in operating gear) while under pressure (i.e. time).
My aim is thus to use competition as a tool to achieve my goal - to supplement my "tactical/defensive" training so that I can run the gun faster and harder.
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Just be careful not to develop any training scars. Otherwise Have at it. Trigger time is always fun.....call me if there is anything I can help with...^ Yep. For those whose lifestyle demands deeper concealment, they need another standard to train against and be judged by.
I do not think that it is my place to judge how anyone else may choose to carry - it's a compromise we each make, based on many different factors in our own lives. However, I just as strongly believe that to improve, the shooter must quantify their performance, and seek to better it through rigorous practice: and that this self-criteria can apply to any carry method.
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Even without all the other things I learned from Bob Vogel a few weekends ago, the one thing that I realized is how much competition shooting can help me simply "shoot the gun" and "run the gun." This was the main driving impulse behind me having done a 180 in my mind, and now wanting to compete, ASAP.
Before, I'd been convinced that "gun gaming" could potentially ingrain methodology that would be less-than-optimal when street-survival was the true goal. Therefore, I avoided any thought of competition.
Today, I still believe that line of thinking does hold certain truths. However, at the same time, I've come to the realization that there's really nothing like competition - short of an actual gun-fight - to require marksmanship and competency in movement (including efficiency in operating gear) while under pressure (i.e. time).
My aim is thus to use competition as a tool to achieve my goal - to supplement my "tactical/defensive" training so that I can run the gun faster and harder.
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for fun i cut up cardboard boxes with a IDPA template.
last froday at the range i got a couple of other to play with me. people love a timer and doing something other than punching paper.
also im an IDPA NECPL CRO etc so i did from street dress, the random beep, 7 shots; 3-- dble taps and a head shot to stop the clock. i was shooting a p230 weak hand from jacket pocket draw.
my average time was 2.45 seconds. the other 2 started slow ( i told them--be deliberate in your movement and go for accuracy; speed will follow when you are smooth) at under 6 seconds and an hour later, out of ammo, they were under 4 seconds.
and very suprised and pleased with themselves.
they say that they will try to play our clubs games.
--of course i cut them slack with no cover garmet and starting with their hand on the gun's butt...
had to be safe and fast draw is best practiced at home with a mt gun.
good thread
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as i've noticed about others--that they do not always do as i think they will nor often as they say they will.
this not only makes life interesting, it makes it dangerous too.
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^ Definitely. That was actually the main reason why I didn't want to compete. My outlook has changed on wanting to compete, of-course, but I will remain vigilant to ward-off training scars.
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Yes, w/cover garment. Remember, NEVER pass up an opportunity to practice your draw/getting on target (i.e. when you disarm for the evening)...That in itself should give you an extra 365 draws a year...Should be worth something! JMO
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Last time out drawing from concealment to Com on a Q target at 7 yards was an average of 1.8 using a 1911.
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Fast, not really...last time I tried, the instructor used a calendar to time me.
Never really been timed!
Two seconds would be a little tight...but perhaps!
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Let's have some parameters for those who want to video the attempt. Do you want the hands in an interview position, by the sides or up in front of the shooter?
The distance will be 7 yards, standard IDPA or similar type target.
You can start from whatever your normal ready position is interview or hands in a normal at your side position.
As I stated earlier this would be performed with a conventional holster OWB, IWB, AIWB with whatever cover garment you would normally wear. If you can do it from an unconventional draw, holster shirt, belly band or so on great but not expected.
One round from the holster, at 7 yards in 2 seconds striking the target in a manner that would be effective. Some instuctors use the same basic format except two rounds are fired or the distance is 5 yards, time is 1.5 seconds and so on it is all the same basic drill.
Videos would be great and I want to thank everyone who answered and commented keep it coming.
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I voted no because, while I can do it at the range during practice, I'm quite sure in real life I'll be around 3.5 to 4 seconds.
It's easy to be fast when you're ready to draw. It won't be so easy when you are eating a burger or pumping gas.
ETA: I didn't see at first that this was about a drill. Yes, I can do it.
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