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This is a discussion on How many members here can accomplish this drill? within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Mike1956 What does moving backward get you? Distance from the threat.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    What does moving backward get you?
    Distance from the threat....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    What does moving backward get you?
    Me laying on my arse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    Distance from the threat....
    Again, to what end? I understanding breaking laterally, but moving backward doesn't get one off the X.
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    Yep. Had to do it in a couple of advanced classes. Also, learned to move "Off the X" and shoot while moving forward, diagonally--both forward and backward--and backward at multiple targets. Unfortunately, don't get to practice with live ammo much, since most ranges do not allow drawing and moving! I do practice my draw and "dryfiring" though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Again, to what end? I understanding breaking laterally, but moving backward doesn't get one off the X.
    How many sides does your X have??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    How many sides does your X have??
    Left and right. Yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Left and right. Yours?
    360 degrees....You never know when you have to move in any direction off that X.....

    Have you ever done any dynamic training?
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    There have been similar discussions about this before. Yes in a perfect world getting off the X would take you laterally out of the line of fire or at least make the other guy have to stop and reacquire you but the world is not perfect so you have to adapt.

    Zero to six feet is what is known as the hole. It is someplace you do not want to be. Your opponent does not have to be certified with anything, an expert shooter, in good physical shape he just has to reach you or hit you with whatever weapon he happens to be using. In virtually all self defense type situations distance is your friend. Creating distance simply puts you out of reach of bladed or impact weapons, makes you a harder target in the event you are facing a firearm and gives you more space/time to react.

    Now keep in mind this is when the assailant is not advancing, obviously if you are moving back and he is moving forward the distance will pretty much remain equal but you still have to be able to shoot while moving. Upon contact you engage in a method suited for close quarters and continually create distance, keep firing all the while doing what I call fighting your way to the sights. Just like this......

    Phoenix Tactical Solutions: Close Contact Handgun Drill - 2 Plus 8 - YouTube


    There could/would also be enviromental or physical limitations to lateral movement. If the situation occured between two parked cars, a narrow alley or hallway you have nowhere to go but back, you will not be the one dictating the situation the BG will you will simply be reacting to whatever he does.

    There is one other option in some cases aggressive movement forward while firing which could/would either eliminate the opponent or make him not want to play anymore and retreat, but this is one of those situations all or nothing you cannot hesitate once you have started your movement. Again this is when there is simply nowhere else to go.

    The "X" is not just side to side it encompasses all directions simply because the world encompasses all directions.

    This is a figure eight drill to teach you to shoot in a 360 degree enviroment.

    Figure-8 Drill - YouTube
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    360 degrees....You never know when you have to move in any direction off that X.....

    Have you ever done any dynamic training?
    Yes, but no matter how far up or down one moves on the X axis, one is still on it.
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    You need to learn 3d movement in all directions. If you are in alley, hallway, you might need to engage the FIRST target if multiple while moving backwards which may be your only avenue for retreat or place for cover or concealment. You can not ever discount how you might have to move.

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    LOL well Mike you are absolutely correct you are still on the X and you will probably get shot, stabbed or hit, such is life brother.

    Up, down, left, right, back or forward getting off the "X" is not some magical, click your heels three times and all is better, it simply makes you a harder target for a very, very short time frame BUT you do not choose your surroundings or dictate the event you are reactionary so you cannot stop and get a do over you better damn well know how to react and shoot in different enviroments, positions, distances and from every place on the X, which if you haven't noticed has four points so at least four directions and is simply easier to use get off the X instead of get off the asterick "*".
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    LOL well Mike you are absolutely correct you are still on the X and you will probably get shot, stabbed or hit, such is life brother.

    Up, down, left, right, back or forward getting off the "X" is not some magical, click your heels three times and all is better, it simply makes you a harder target for a very, very short time frame BUT you do not choose your surroundings or dictate the event you are reactionary so you cannot stop and get a do over you better damn well know how to react and shoot in different enviroments, positions, distances and from every place on the X, which if you haven't noticed has four points so at least four directions and is simply easier to use get off the X instead of get off the asterick "*".
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    "Draw, 1 on target, speed reload, 1 on target in 2.38 at 5 yards. By far the coolest thing ive done in my life. If I were told to do that in a real life scenario... probably around 5 to 10 seconds given I didn't drop my magazine along with the log in my pants. "

    That is phenomenal even in practice. I just shot my first IDPA this past weekend and reloads (1911 officer's ACP) were definitely a weak point despite my practice before hand. It's amazing what a little stress will do.

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    I guess that so long as you can draw and fire faster than you can call 911 and get a response you are in a better position to survive than most people.
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    Lots of dry-fire practice from both an IWB and an OWB holster, lots of live-fire practice at the range (early in the morning when there's seldom anyone else there), lots of practice ripping off follow-up shots at the trigger reset rather than allowing the trigger on my P238 to travel all the way forward.... 2-3 center mass hits is doable in 2 seconds. From a pocket holster or a belly-band, not so much.

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