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    Front Sight, Las Vegas

    Has anyone here ever attended one of the Front Sight training classes or bought one of their memberships? I received a FS CD with last month\'s Concealed Carry Magazine and just wondering how good they are and/or how good a deal their memberships really are? The memberships are pricey.

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    I have a friend that has a Gold Membership and he swears by the place. He is giving my wife and I a certificate to attend the 2-Day defensive gun course. He goes at least twice a month to Front Sight for all sorts fo different courses. Are there any questions you would like me to ask him???


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    Twice a month to Front Sight, now that would be awesome.:kay:

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    Long read but well worth it.


    This is a direct transcript from the live introduction
    given by Ignatius Piazza, Front Sight\'s Founder and

    Front Sight\'s Purpose and the Five Levels of Competence.

    Thank you and welcome to Front Sight.

    At this time what I would like to do is share with you
    Front Sight\'s purpose and introduce the range masters that
    will be working with you this weekend.

    Here at Front Sight we believe that in order to
    distinguish ourselves above all others in this industry,
    we must be driven by a purpose that is greater than just
    making money or a name for ourselves. And this purpose
    must always remain bigger than the organization otherwise
    the reason for existing can become rather self-centered or

    Now those of you who are new to Front Sight and are not
    familiar with the term Purpose Based Organization, you\'ll
    know when you\'re in the presence of one when you witness
    those individuals working with you performing their tasks
    with an enthusiastic Sense of Duty and a Moral Obligation
    to those the purpose is meant to serve. And by those I
    mean YOU, the students.

    I believe you will find this weekend that Front Sight is
    such an organization with a group of highly dedicated
    instructors and support staff that are all brought here
    for the same reason. And that is to serve you and to make
    you as good as you possibly can be during the time that
    you spend with us.

    With that said, what is our purpose? Well it is a large
    one. And the easiest way to explain this is to review
    something that we call the Five Levels of Competence.

    The lowest level of competence is what we refer to as
    the II. That stands for Intentionally Incompetent. These
    are the people that know they need training but they lack
    the courage and the motivation to get it. They actually
    avoid training because in exposing themselves to training,
    they expose their inadequacies to their peers and they
    fear that greater than death itself. Fortunately we don\'t
    see the II at Front Sight very often. I can count on one
    hand the number of times we have in the last 5 years. In
    each case they were sent to us by their department or by
    someone who was concerned that this person needed training
    and they just weren\'t getting it.

    The II does not want to be here. They waste our time, they
    waste your time. I tell you about them simply because they
    are out there and you should avoid them like the plague.
    Because if you count on the II when the chips are down,
    they will take you right to the grave with them.

    Then for no fault of their own there is the UI. This stands
    for Unconsciously Incompetent. These are the people that
    do not know that they do not know. And unfortunately it
    makes up about 95% of the gun owning population. Now I
    realize that\'s a shockingly high figure for many of you to
    comprehend. When we provide our one day courses, we tell
    our students that a one day course will not bring them to
    a full understanding of the Five Levels of Competence. The
    reason it does not is because in a one day course we do
    not put those students into a live fire tactical training
    simulator. A simulator that\'s as close to a real gun fight
    as we can make it without anybody getting physically hurt.
    And it\'s in those simulators that students begin to
    understand that in a real gun fight, you\'re only going to
    be about half as good as you are in the best day on the
    training range simply from the stress of someone trying
    to take your life. Unfortunately, 95% of the gun owning
    population does not know this.

    Let me give you some examples of the UI:

    The police officer who only fires his weapon for
    mandatory range qualification two or three times a year is
    Unconsciously Incompetent.

    Military personnel, especially the Reserve Units and
    National Guard who have not trained with their weapons or
    live ammunition for 6 months or a year and then are
    quickly called up and sent off to some foreign part of the
    world to fight a police action, they too are Unconsciously

    Then there is the hunter who buys the brand new high
    powered rifle, books the African safari and when the guide
    places him within 75 yards of a trophy animal, he misses
    the shot, or worse wounds the animal and now you spend the
    rest of the day tracking large, dangerous, wounded game.
    He too, is Unconsciously Incompetent.

    Then there\'s the gun owner, who thinks that without having
    any type of training like we offer here at Front Sight,
    simply having a pistol and a box of ammunition is all he
    needs for protection should he hear breaking glass in the
    middle of the night. He too, is Unconsciously Incompetent.

    This even extends to all those people out there who have a
    Concealed Weapon Permit. Who\'ve only taken that mandatory
    8 hours course that the county required. Six of those hours
    spent talking about where and when they can legally carry
    a gun, a couple hours with some very minimal training in a
    very minimal skills test and now they\'re out there on the
    street carrying a gun thinking that should someone step up
    to try to take their life, they have all the tools they
    need to protect it. They, too, do not know what they do
    not know.

    Now why is it that I know so much about this UI? Well it\'s
    because I was the biggest UI. I was the gun shop owner\'s
    best friend. When a new gun came out on the cover of Guns
    and Ammo, I would immediately run down to my local gun shop
    and buy two; complete with all the accessories they could
    sell me. And I viewed these guns are collectables and art
    objects, not as tools or weapons. Then one day a
    relatively minor incident made me aware of my incompetence
    and I immediately graduated to the next level. I was now
    Consciously Incompetent. I knew I did not know and I knew
    I needed training. Well not everyone is as lucky as I was.
    Sometimes that sudden realization that you do not know is
    quickly followed by your opponents attack. And if that
    attack involved lethal force, the only reason you\'ll
    survive is because on that day, at that time, your
    opponent was a bigger UI than you were. Who wants to
    bet their life on those odds? I certainly did not.

    So Front Sight\'s senior purpose; the reason we exist, the
    reason we\'re building this facility, the reason we invite
    you all to come out and experience what we have to offer
    is to reach this 95% of the gun owning population and
    bring them here to Front Sight where they can safely and
    immediately reach the level of knowing that they need
    training. Becasue here at Front Sight everyone is a student
    and this is where we can help them.

    Now, once students arrive at Front Sight our next purpose
    is to validate their awareness that they need and want
    training and provide them with a curriculum that will
    quickly bring them up to the level of Consciously
    Competent because at this level they are now better than
    95% of the gun owning population but must consciously
    think about everything that they do with their weapon.
    Further practice and training will elevate their skills
    to the next level, the highest level, and those of you in
    the room here who are the ultimate achievers; Front
    Sight\'s purpose extends to assist you in reaching your
    highest level of competence. That would be Unconsciously
    Competent. And at this level your weapon craft
    skills, your tactics, your mindset all become reflexive.
    Now please realize that even at the Unconsciously
    Competent level, in a real gunfight you\'re still only
    going to be about half as good as you are in your best
    day on the training range simply from the stress of someone
    trying to take your life. But half as good at the
    Unconsciously Competent level is miles above that UI
    that you\'re likely to meet on the street. And that not
    only ensures you\'ll survive; it ensures that you\'ll win
    and that\'s why we\'re here. To make sure that our students,
    should they ever need to use a weapon to defend their
    lives or the lives of their loves ones, will in fact win!

    Now if any of you are sitting there wondering or worrying
    that we\'re speaking of you when we describe this UI, don\'t
    worry. Whatever level you are presently at, I have been
    there. In fact I tell the story of my first course
    (at another school) to illustrate this point.

    I showed up for this course as a complete novice. It
    was a handgun course. I was wearing my newly purchased
    and pressed desert camouflage fatigues. I had a Miami
    Vice shoulder holster on, just like the one Don Johnson
    wore in the television show- because up to that point
    \"Sonny Crockett\" was my firearms training mentor. And
    I had a high capacity 9mm pistol up under my arm and I
    had enough magazines on my belt to last the entire first
    two days of the class without even thinking about
    reloading. So I was quite a sight. Then the founder
    of that school walked into the classroom. There
    were about 20 students in the class and he looked
    at me and he said, \"You, man, stand up.\" And I
    thought, \"Wow! This is going to be a great day. Here
    I am, just fifteen minutes into the class and the
    founder is recognizing me.\" The founder looked to
    one of his instructors who was seated in the back of the
    classroom and then he looked at me again and said,
    \"Take that man outside! Get him squared away.\" So there
    I was, standing up feeling rather foolish and exited
    the classroom to spend part of the morning- justifiably
    so, I might add- getting squared away.

    Well don\'t worry, that situation won\'t happen to you
    here at Front Sight because it does not matter to us.
    I\'ll say it again; it does not matter to us where you
    are at the start of the class. What matters to us is
    where you are at the end of the course. And Front Sight\'s
    staff and curriculum will take you from whatever level
    you\'re presently at and significantly improve you during
    the time that you spend with us.

    Now I know some of you are questioning how can I be so
    confident to make that statement not knowing your
    individual abilities? Well it doesn\'t matter. In any
    class that we offer, whether there are 20 or 200
    students, there are students that have never shot a gun
    before. There are students who have been shooting for 20
    years. There are returning students. There are firearms
    instructors. There are law enforcement instructors. All
    training together and everyone improves significantly!

    There is a reason for this. Having attended the other
    schools in this country multiple times I became astutely
    aware of not only what makes a great curriculum, but more
    important, what makes a great instructor. And I\'m quite
    proud to tell you that Front Sight has the finest
    instructional program in the industry. We maintain the
    highest standards in the industry and we achieve amazing
    results with each and every student at every course and
    we will achieve amazing results with you as well this

    Understand that we have a VERY important business
    philosophy here at Front Sight, and that is that YOU the
    student are the product of Front Sight. Not the facility
    that we\'re building. Not the curriculum. Not the
    instructional staff. Not anything that we might sell in a
    pro shop. You! You are the product.

    When you leave us at the end of this course, you will
    take with you the gun handling, the marksmanship, the
    mindset, and the tactics that we teach. And we look at
    it as you now represent Front Sight.

    So when you walk into a gun shop and ask the clerk to
    see a gun and he hands it over to you and you keep it
    pointed at the deck. You chamber check it. You clear it
    before you begin manipulating it. You keep your finger
    off the trigger. You don\'t cover yourself with the muzzle.
    You don\'t cover the clerk with the muzzle. You don\'t cover
    everyone in the store with a muzzle. They look at you and
    they say, \"Wow, there\'s something different about this
    person. They\'re not like everybody else that comes in

    When you go to a shooting range and you\'re rapidly
    presenting your weapon from the holster, you\'re firing
    accurately, performing after action drills and other
    techniques that we teach, and you happen to have a
    malfunction and you reflexively clear it, they see this
    too. And when they finally have the courage to walk up to
    you and say, \"Excuse me, where did you learn how to do all
    of that?\" What do we want coming out of your mouths?


    Front Sight. Absolutely. We take this very seriously and
    that\'s why we do everything we possibly can to make you
    as good as we possibly can during the time that you spend
    with us.

    With that said, allow us to introduce the Range Masters
    that that will be working with you this weekend. As they
    proceed up to the front of the room, please understand
    that Front Sight maintains a ratio of one instructor for
    every four-to-five students on the firing line and
    one-on-one instruction in the live fire tactical
    simulators-sometimes two instructors per student depending
    on the simulator. This is the highest standard in the
    industry. Not only do we maintain it, we advertise it.

    There are two paths to become an instructor at Front Sight.

    The first path is to be a seasoned law enforcement or
    military instructor. Take a course at Front Sight on your
    dime so we can get a good look at you and you can get a
    good look at us. If there is a match, we will invite you
    to our Instructor Development Course on our dime and we
    will teach you the training doctrine we offer at Front
    Sight. Upon successful completion of the course, you
    will come on board as part of Front Sight\'s stellar
    instructional staff.

    The other path is to be a student. Distinguish yourself
    in our courses and we will invite you to our Instructor
    Development Course. Upon successful completion, you will
    come on board as either a line coach or instructor.
    If you wish to continue to improve your skills and work
    toward Range Master status, then we will pair you up with
    a seasoned Range Master and you will co-range master
    courses until you can take a group of students, a group
    of instructors, and the course curriculum and run it with
    the same efficiency and results as myself or any of the
    other seasoned Range Masters would. You are then part of
    the Front Sight\'s Range Master staff.

    Those two paths are represented in the men standing
    before you. They will most definitely take you from
    whatever level you are presently at and significantly
    improve you during the time you spend with us this

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