Some thoughts from Col Grossman

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    Here is a video of Grossman talking about his book ON KILLING

    Psychologist Lt. Col. Dave Grossman On The Act Of Killing - YouTube
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    I guess I don't understand why anyone would require an "expert" to tell them to keep fighting and not give up.

    Giving up is so far from my thought process, I can't fathom someone choosing that route.

    The way I see it, if an expert has to tell you to have a warrior mindset, chances are you never will.

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    Pilot you would be surprised.
    "A first rate man with a third rate gun is far better than the other way around". The gun is a tool, you are the craftsman that makes it work. There are those who say "if I had to do it, I could" yet they never go out and train to do it. Don't let stupid be your mindset. Harryball 2013

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    Another tip from Grossman:

    Many warriors have told me that the worse thing that could happen is that they would suddenly be in harm’s way while their loved ones were with them. If you agree, if you think that is the worst thing that could happen, then that is the most important thing you should prepare for.Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill MO View Post
    Another tip from Grossman:
    I read that yesterday. IMO its something to take to heart. For me, that is the worse case scenario....
    Don"t let stupid be your skill set....

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    Here is something else from Grossman, that deals with the staying in the fight and that you fight like you train. Just because you take a hit does not mean you have to stop the fight. Heart shot and still fights the BG off and lives to fight another day.

    Officer Stacy Lim from the Los Angeles Police Department pulled into her driveway after an enjoyable evening of softball practice. When Lim got out of her personal car, she was immediately confronted by a group of gangbangers who had followed her with the intent of carjacking her vehicle. Her first response was to call out that she was a police officer. They responded by firing a .357 magnum round into her chest, which penetrated her heart, and blew a tennis ball-size exit wound out her back. Stacy Lim stayed in the fight. She not only returned fire, but she also became the aggressor as she pursued the man, shooting him repeatedly. The remaining gangbangers suddenly remembered previous, pressing engagements and very wisely fled for their lives.After she dealt with her attackers she turned around and headed up her driveway toward her house to call for help. She does not recall doing it, but as she was losing consciousness, she stripped the magazine from her pistol and threw it 20 feet away where it was found the next day. She did this because in the academy she had been taught, “Don’t let them use your weapon against you.”Her attacker died and Stacy Lim died twice on the operating table. She required 101 pints of blood, but she survived, returning to duty eight months later. Today, she still works uniform patrol on the streets of Los Angeles, and her training philosophy is, “You need to prepare your mind, for where your body may have to go.” Although Lim was the victim of a surprise attack by deadly predators, she not only stayed in the fight, she took the fight to them. She was victorious because she was both physically and mentally prepared. Lim had a competitive attitude that refused to lose, and she had a plan, a visualized determination to win.Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
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    I actually have attended his course as a cop, and think highly of Grossman's work. I rank it as one of the Top 10 courses I have ever attended in my career. What he teaches and discusses is just as applicable to defensive carry as it is to police and military personnel. One of the psychological aspects of the course work is to help the individual to mentally prepare for the decision to pull the trigger and what happens mentally/emotionally afterwards. He also wrote a book entitled "On Killing", which is an excellent read. I would highly recommend his courses if you get a chance to take one.
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    For those who like to think, train and carry on the % of things here's a tip for you.

    One report says that over a third of all police officers killed in combat did not defend themselves. The solution to this lies in training, hard training that includes preparation for the possibility of being shot at and preparation for the possibility of being hit. Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
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    While this tip from Grossman talks about the battlefield and warriors I think it also talks to CCers and why we have the US vs THEM discussions.



    There are only two types on the battlefield: warriors and victims. Sheep avoid the battle, or refuse to participate, but warriors seem to have two basic attitudes as they go into combat. One group appears to honestly look forward to it. The second group doesn’t really want to do it, but since it has to be done, their attitude is, “Let’s get it over with.” Both are perfectly healthy and appropriate responses.
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    Here is a tip I think we all need to take in to account when we think about the shooting skills of the BG.

    Many firearms instructors tell me that there are some officers in today's new generation of young recruits who walk onto their pistol ranges, hold a real pistol in their hands for the first time and, after firing a few shots to adjust themselves to the weapon, are supernatural marksmen. When asked, almost all of them say that they are avid players of the point-and-shoot arcade video games.
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    Why would anyone try to defend themself and hope to win? It just doesn't make any sense.
    Why?? Because at the last second, the Police are minutes away.

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    This may be a thought we all need in our mindset if ever it happens. If you do get shot the last thing one wants to do is lay down and give up.

    Charles Remsberg in his excellent book, The Tactical Edge, trains warriors to develop “positive self-talk,” the most important of which is, “I will survive and keep going, no matter what.” Often, wounded police officers report that this was all they heard in their minds after they were shot, and it was essential to their survival. These are the kind of intrusive thoughts that we must program into our minds if we are to survive in combat.Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
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    Thanks for sharing that. I talk about blood loss in the classes I teach and with 10 years as a medical proffesional I have never heard it put so well.
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