This is a discussion on Pretty good quote from John Farnam on lethal force. within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; “Any intentional discharge of a firearm in the direction of another person is considered an exercise in lethal force, regardless of your expressed intent, or ...
“Any intentional discharge of a firearm in the direction of another person is considered an exercise in lethal force, regardless of your expressed intent, or ultimate result. When you are legally justified in employing lethal force against a threat, and have decided to do so, you are simultaneously justified in fatally wounding (killing) the person. When you are not justified in traumatically ending the offender’s life then and there, you are not justified in firing at all.”
~ John Farnam (found in an excellent online article at http://www.defense-
Pretty much covers it.
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Served with a guy by the name of John Farnam in the mid 70's he was on the base pistol/rifle team,but after seeing pictures of him a coupla years ago it's not the same guy.
I agree 100% with the statement,people think that firing a warning shot to scare somebody off that otherwise would not justify deadly force are going to get a pass,hope they have a lawyer on retainer
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
Exactly. Quite a few jurisdictions will charge a person with either aggravated assault, or assault with a deadly weapon (both are felonies) when someone fires a warning shot for the exact reason John Farnam articulates.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
Often in the news, a bad shoot that misses is still a bad shoot answerable to the law. Really applies to any use of lethal force - not necessarily firearms. A good, ethical, rule of thumb.
-Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
I think this is the full link for the citation: John Farnam's Quips - 12June12.html - Shooting to "Wound".
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Liberty, Property, or Death - Jonathan Gardner's powder horn inscription 1776
Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito.
("Do not give in to evil but proceed ever more boldly against it.")
-Virgil, Aeneid, vi, 95
No sugar coating in that statement.....
Don"t let stupid be your skill set....
And Shepards we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee,
Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, So that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command,
And we shall flow a river forth to Thee, And teeming with souls shall it ever be,
When I went through firearms instructor school as a cop, they had this posted in the front of the course handbook...(Paraphrased)..."Lethal force maybe employed when the actions of an assailant are such a threat to your life or the lives of others, that it does not matter if the assailant lives or dies, only that they stop the actions that caused you to use such force." Thought it was worth posting here.
During a deadly force course with Ayoob, he summarized the A.O.J. standard like this: Justified use of lethal force requires that the innocent be in immediate and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm.
You can educate ignorance, you can't fix stupid
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I agree completely. Only on TV does the good guy shoot the gun out of the bad guy's hand at 100 yards using a snub nose .38. I teach COM shooting to stop the threat. You should not have tne intention of killing anyone. In fact, it is hoped that everyone survives. Having said that, the BG has certain occupational hazards that come with his profession, one of which may be death. Again, the key I stress is to stop the threat. Any other thoughts at the time can get you hurt.
Best way to win a gun fight? "That's easy, don't show up." --Wyatt Earp
--If you’re carrying a gun for self-defense, don’t practice like a marksman. Practice like a gunfighter.
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