Why did I not have to take a training course?
This is a discussion on Why did I not have to take a training course? within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; While prohibitive costs is a concern, the other issue is who determines what training is adequate? And who licenses the instructors, and what will the ...
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September 26th, 2012 07:51 PM
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While prohibitive costs is a concern, the other issue is who determines what training is adequate? And who licenses the instructors, and what will the curriculum include. Anytime you get the government involved in decision making, it adds massive buerocracy that can and will be used to restrict or repress out rights.
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September 26th, 2012 07:51 PM
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September 26th, 2012 08:00 PM
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I agree about the bureaucracy part. It is 'used' insinuating that someone is purposefully restricting/repressing people's rights. However I think sometimes it just does it by nature. When I was in school I held several offices both in my fraternity and on the student government association. Anytime you get a group of people together to decide something it is going to take forever and in the end most of the people wont be happy. At least, these are the majority of the decisions that we remember. If it works in our favor it's simply the government doing its job.
It may sound like I'm disagreeing with you, I'm not. Just expanding from my own experience, which I'm glad I experienced but also am glad it's over.
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September 26th, 2012 08:42 PM
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Vermont has had Constitutional Carry (no training, no permit needed) since the 1930s and hasn't had much problems. I doubt the people of the great state of Alabama are any dumber than people from Vermont.
Note: I speak from personal experience, as my wife is from Alabama
Carry everywhere it's legal.
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September 26th, 2012 08:47 PM
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I think that people should have to take at least 5 comprehensive and intense training courses before they are eligible to obtain a license to carry a firearm because that is about how many I've taken in my lifetime and I think people should at the very least be as well trained as I am before they are allowed to carry.
That would make me feel a LOT better.
What are your thoughts on that? Are you now willing to tear yours up?

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I didn't have to take a training course to get my license. I highly think this should be required. I had training from an instructor, although it was of my own accord and not an official class. It was more of a "hey come shoot my guns, if you don't know how I'll teach you" kinda thing.
It would make me feel better if I knew that everybody else that carried concealed in the area around me had received some sort of official training.
Would anybody else feel that way? Thoughts?
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Do any Alabama people know if there are any courses offered in central Alabama?
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September 26th, 2012 08:50 PM
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Second Amendment rights aren't dependent on completion of a class based on arbitrary requirements set by a bunch of dumb politicians.
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September 26th, 2012 09:39 PM
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September 26th, 2012 09:47 PM
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Because it is (supposed to be) a right. Training is a personal choice and imo a great piece of being a responsible armed citizen, but as hb stated correctly, that is how it should be.
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September 26th, 2012 09:49 PM
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I think of a gun as a car. You have to take a test before you can drive a car. You have to know the laws and show you can drive a car safely before you can get your licenses. Does this mean all drivers are safe? No, but it does show they know what they are suppose to be doing. I think it should be the same for a gun. The test I had to take was a little of this and a little of that but it never really showed I was responsible with a firearm nor that I knew the laws well enough to be walking around with a gun.
My big surprise is people who take the ccw test and have NEVER fired a gun. Who get their first gun after they have taken the test. Oh for heavens sakes, how about you be able to fire a gun fairly well before you even think to carry it around and maybe have to use it around other people.
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September 26th, 2012 10:19 PM
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In TN I had to show proficiency. I believe your wording should be "competency exam" instead of "training course" which to me implies something totally different.
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September 26th, 2012 10:26 PM
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I'm not for government mandated training. It will accomplish very little and overlooks guzintah/guzhoutah. Responsible citizens go in, responsible citizens come out. On the flip side, yahoos go in, yahoos come out. And most yahoos can hide their yahooness for 4 or 8 hours of training so they can get their carry license and handle their guns in just as unsafe a manner in public as they do in private.
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September 26th, 2012 10:36 PM
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In TN is a course required yes but it is a joke, my 10 year old has passed it
(gave him the same questions verbal that are on the written portion and hold him to a higher standard on the shooting portion).
Do I think training should be mandatory? No. Do I hope that anyone that chooses to take carrying a fire arm for protection would? Yes.
It is supposed to be a right (it is not most places) but the responsibility is real, take my opinion for what it is worth.
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September 26th, 2012 10:48 PM
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I see your point, but at the same time, here's why I have a problem with it.
Government mandated.
Boom. I don't need to say anything else. It is the individual's responsibility to be a grown up and make grown up decisions. When they don't make grown up decisions, that's when natural selection comes into play.
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September 26th, 2012 10:54 PM
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Because it's a right, not a privilege.
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September 26th, 2012 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by
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I'm not for government mandated training. It will accomplish very little and overlooks guzintah/guzhoutah. Responsible citizens go in, responsible citizens come out. On the flip side, yahoos go in, yahoos come out. And most yahoos can hide their yahooness for 4 or 8 hours of training so they can get their carry license and handle their guns in just as unsafe a manner in public as they do in private.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. Mi requires a training class and when I took mine a couple weeks ago there was one young "gentleman" (term used VERY loosely) who I was scared to think of carrying a gun period, much less concealed. He was able to pass the class though. As we were standing around chatting and looking over the instructors pieces, I was wincing every time this yahoo picked up a pistol. If he's lucky, he will only shoot himself in the foot.
Disarming innocent people does not protect innocent people.
Don't ever think that the reason I'm peaceful is because I'm afraid to be violent!
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September 26th, 2012 11:06 PM
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Sorry, forgot to say that while I do not feel that training should be mandatory, I agree with earlier posts that it should be taken as part of responsible ownership.
Disarming innocent people does not protect innocent people.
Don't ever think that the reason I'm peaceful is because I'm afraid to be violent!
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