Unfortunately when it comes to CCW licenses, that doesn't play out with the stats. Read the gunfacts document and you will find that ccw citizens are the more responsible section of society, behave themselves quite well, and have a much better shot record than trained police. Furthermore, there is no indication that ccw people with licenses from states that require training are any more safe or have a better shot record than states that do not. So what's the point?Quote:
Long gone for the majority. example, look at how many drivers no longer use turn signals. They know better and choose to ignore the law. Still, they are better drivers than those who cannot pass the basic driving test or written test. Should we remove requirements for driving tests so those who are totally incompetent can drive too? Check Belgium's history for that answer
If this is not the case we should at least be trained to be mature enough and competent enough to get properly trained in any potentially hazardous activity that we may be inclined to take up as an activity or career.
It is not within the bounds of our Constitution for the government to mandate any training or permits a citizen may need to purchase in order to exercise our given "Rights".
It should be like this for everyone, sadly it is not.
A good option would be to have everyone serve a minimum of 2 years in the armed forces between high school and college.
Looks like I'm late to the party, but wanted to add.
I used to think the same way, but honestly it would have taken me much longer to get my own CCP if that were the case. I was raised around guns and still go shooting with the cousins anytime they come into town for the holidays. I didn't need to learn basic safety and I wouldn't have been able to afford a class if it were required. I got my permit well over a year ago and HAVE taken an NRA-certified handgun class since then, but if it were required for a permit I would have spent many months without being able to defend myself.
This is an interesting topic. I suspect we'd all agree that it would be great if everyone got training. Many of us would also agree that government-imposed training mandates can be problematic for a number of reasons.
I think MS came up with a good solution. We do not have a training mandate... but there is an incentive to get training. We have the regular CCW permit, which 'shall' be issued to all who pay the fee and pass the background check. We also have an "enhanced" permit, which allows the carrier to carry in places that wouldn't otherwise be allowed (churches, courthouses, etc). Basically, it allows you to carry anywhere except where armed law enforcement is already present (prisons, police stations, courtroom-in-session, etc), or where prohibited by federal law. All of the CCW-ers I know have either already gotten or are planning to get the "IC" (instructor-certified) enhanced permit, because when you have it, the list of places you can't carry is very short and easy to remember.
I took 2 full days of private training at a cost of $275 to get my permit endorsement. Add to that the need to miss 2 days of work, and you can see how such requirements can become a 'poll tax' of sorts that precludes lower-income individuals from exercising their right to self defense. If I were a single mother, or a retiree living on a fixed income, or anyone else struggling to make ends meet, I probably wouldn't be living in the best neighborhood, and I'd *NEED* to be able to defend myself, but if the training + lost wages cost over $400 -- it wouldn't even be an option. Imposing such barriers without regard to the impact on less fortunate law-abiding citizens sends a "let them eat cake" message about which citizens really have the right to self defense.
Another way to encourage training is for volunteers to provide it for low cost. I know of at least one range that offers the same 2-day course I took (in a group setting) for $50, as a public service. Such programs are a great way to give back to the community, but it takes qualified volunteers to make it work.
The second amendment guarantees our right to keep and bear arms. It does not require training. While training is recommended for any skill, that's up to the individual. Hopefully, a person responsible enough to care about defending themselves and their loved ones and responsible enough to get a CHL, will also take the time to train. But, again, this is not a requirement, nor should it be, as the more regulations there are, the more our right will be diluted.
I not like the idea of a super citizen with more rights based on training. The minute you start putting any restrictions , rules and regulations it snowballs.
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Offer CCW/firearm safety Classes as an elective in high school like they do drivers ed. Opps they don't offer drivers ed courses any more either :tounge-in-cheek:
Here in California most of the basic CCW course is spent learning about the law. How to carry legally, safely, options of concealment and holstering, when it is acceptable to draw, and how to do so in a manner that is effective and not likely to get you arrested or shot. Different demonstrations are given to show how quickly a situation can go bad, and how much time you have to react. Very basic skills are taught, as most know how to fire and handle a weapon safely before attending. It is so basic that very few fail, and those who do would be a menace to society if armed. Is a course like that really too much to ask?
But given that the 2A is Constitutional protection against infringement of the right, requiring government-dictated training, IMO, goes too far.
Look up Suarez International and search for CR Williams or Don Robison for Central Al training.Quote:
Do any Alabama people know if there are any courses offered in central Alabama?
Or come a little North and take some from Randy Harris out of Chattanooga (he actually teaches near Ider, AL).
The Jefferson County Sheriffs office offers free bi-weekly classes, basically an introduction to your handgun class. There's classroom time, and live fire on their range after the class. You even get a nice certificate :)