Another reason you may need to train

Another reason you may need to train

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    Another reason you may need to train

    For those who have the dream that everything goes wrong when you need it most, it may be your subconscious telling you it thinks there is a problem. here is what Grossman has to say.

    There is a kind of dream not associated with any real world event. I call it the Universal Warrior Nightmare. The most common version of the universal nightmare is to dream that you cannot get your gun to fire. The gun jams, the bullets dribble out the end of the barrel, or they bounce impotently off the bad guy�s chest. The puppy, your midbrain, your unconscious mind, sends a message into your dreams that says, �Boss, I�m worried. I�m afraid it might not work.� Well, who would not be worried? Many of your brother and sister warriors have such nightmares and there is nothing wrong if you are having them now or you get them in the future. But there is one thing you can do that has helped many warriors to make the dreams go away: train. The puppy is worried, so to calm him you teach him a few new tricks or polish the old ones. Train hard so that he feels confident. Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
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    I have not had those types of dreams yet. I guess my puppy is happy.....
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    What if you dream you do everything perfect? Is that your subconscious' way of saying, "Dude, you so totally rock!!!"?

    Guess I'm good then.

    I agree though.. dreams are a good way to gauge what you're REALLY thinking no matter how much you tell yourself the opposite. And not just about training either. Want to know your deepest fears and worries? Keep a dream journal.

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    I can not think of a dream I've had dealing with a situation of needing a gun. So is my subconscious telling me I have nothing to worry about? Guess I can just leave my gun at home. (Not gonna happen)
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    What if your dreams are more along the lines of Jessica Biel than fire fights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    What if your dreams are more along the lines of Jessica Biel than fire fights?
    Then your Puppy is real happy.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    What if your dreams are more along the lines of Jessica Biel than fire fights?
    I guess that depends on whether or not your puppy got lucky!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    Then your Puppy is real happy.....
    Maybe not, it IS just a dream, after all.


    Seriously though...

    If you are honest with your self assessment, you know if you are less than prepared. Your dreams just take the self-delusions away.
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    That's really interesting. Makes sense! I've never had a dream involving a gun malfunction, but I ALWAYS used to have car malfunction dreams. Brakes not working, power steering gone, dashboard had more lights and buttons than a fighter jet... stuff like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoadRunner71 View Post
    Maybe not, it IS just a dream, after all.


    Seriously though...

    If you are honest with your self assessment, you know if you are less than prepared. Your dreams just take the self-delusions away.
    Yep, your dreams can be a real eye opener into the mind and soul.... Sometimes its good to pay attention to them..
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    I used to have those dreams all the time. My wife would get very unsettled at times as I would vocalize commands and such.

    I remember one series quite vividly from 1983; I was being shot at and in trying to return fire the trigger on my gun was very hard to pull, when it did fire it was pop,pop,pop....The last shot was BOOOOMMMM!!!! that had no effect.

    I attended a SWAT school and in the first shooting course, we ran 1/4 mile in gas masks, up to the firing line and commenced shooting in a combat course. My first reload, my Safariland Comp I loaded was locked up. That was one I carried on my duty belt.

    After that course, the dreams subsided for a while.

    I don't think there is always a specific reason for these dreams, sometimes it is just the traumatic stress manifesting itself.
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    Yeah, I'm all for training and the warrior mindset but this just reaffirms to me this Grossman guy might be a nut job. If my dreams are filled with defensive scenarios I might have a problem!
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    My 'fighting dreams' are either I'm a super-powered dude tha never misses a shot and knows amazing Kung-fu, or I shoot the bad guys but they never die.
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    A lightbulb went off when I read On Killing by Lt. Col. Grossman. It is doubtful I would have ever come across the book and gained my current level of understanding had it not been for this forum. I am not willing to accept every word that flows forth from his mouth however. There has been a good deal writen about dreams and the unconscious. I have even read a few of them. Carl Jung's work seems to make the most sense to me. I train because of the realization that the beast is out there, he's hungry and I may look like food not because of shadowy messages from my subconscious. If Grossman works for you: Great! Afterall the point is to train. How one gets there hardly seems to matter all that much.
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    Psychology as it pertains to fighting fascinates me. My take on this issue is that if you never dream of loosing, you MAY not have a complete understanding of the dynamics involved in a violent confrontation. Shooting on a sterile range gives us a false sense of security. We may not shoot as well as we want to but there is no penalty for failure. Even competitve shooting dosen't penalize us for failure, we just don't get the prize. If you were going to the range in one week and you were going to be forced to do 100 pushups for every round you shoot outside the 0, before you could leave the range, I would guess there would be some dreams of failure.

    In a class from a very well known instructor we were shown morque and autopsy photographs. Also there was a discussion of the possibility of dying in a fight. The next day the instructor asked who had bad dreams that night, everyone raised their hand. It had left the realm of theory and punching holes in paper and had become reality, if only through pictures and discussion.

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