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    Man! I am at a loss to understand this.

    Was at the range today with my Glock 27 shooting stationary at 7 yds.
    It was a tad cool, about 38F if this means anything.

    My first 2 clips (20 rnds) were 5-8" low center.
    I was shooting at a 8" paper plate.

    After the first 20, no problems getting 2" groups rapid fire.

    This reminds me of my golf game where one day you turn in a great score and the next is pure embarrassment.

    This concerns me as a real threat scenario won't allow 20 warm up shots.

    Any ideas gang?
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    Is it just this weapon that you experience this with or all of them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightsEroding View Post
    Man! I am at a loss to understand this.

    Was at the range today with my Glock 27 shooting stationary at 7 yds.
    It was a tad cool, about 38F if this means anything.

    My first 2 clips (20 rnds) were 5-8" low center.
    I was shooting at a 8" paper plate.

    After the first 20, no problems getting 2" groups rapid fire.

    This reminds me of my golf game where one day you turn in a great score and the next is pure embarrassment.

    This concerns me as a real threat scenario won't allow 20 warm up shots.

    Any ideas gang?
    Probably bending your elbow and swinging too fast, go with a 3/4 swing, makes a world of difference.

    Oh, the shooting thing... sorry, no clue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzburgh View Post
    Is it just this weapon that you experience this with or all of them?
    Can't say for sure since I only shot the one gun today.
    I'm far from perfect, but today was a real deviation for me.
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    Practice practice practice!
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    Practice. Seriously, it is that simple. Dry-fire practice at least 10 rounds for ever live-fire round you shoot (100 is better). Trigger control and sight alignment are easy to practice off the range. It just takes time and commitment.

    When you get to the range, don't think of your first shots as "practice". Think of them as the ones that save you life.

    Preformance on demand is what you are striving toward. Tired, cold, hungry, or sick, it shouldn't matter. Practice until those first shots are as consistent as your fortieth.

    Generally, those low shots can be attributed to yanking on the trigger. Slow down and concentrate on your trigger pull. Make it smooth and steady. Speed will come over time.
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    I concur, jerking the trigger will cause the muzzle to pull low. After you've shot a few rounds you relax and your trigger pull is smoother.

    A golf swing is similar, should be a nice flowing movement from start to finish.

    As others have said, practice. As you practice you lock in muscle memory so every shot becomes instinct and reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highvoltage View Post
    As others have said, practice. As you practice you lock in muscle memory so every shot becomes instinct and reaction.
    Yup, most likely. Dry-fire will probably help, as will more practice on range.

    When I was starting with pistols, my learning curve was with a Browning BDM 9mm. I was learning about the gun, various ammo, sighting/aim, dealing with a slide "burr" issue. Invariably, whenever I had a lull in the shooting regimen, I'd notice a drop-off in early accuracy at the start of range sessions. But whenever I was hitting it hard, I never noticed such a drop-off in the first few magazines. I'm sure dry-fire would have helped. Didn't do that, in those early days. In my case, it was definitely a case of muscle memory. Might well be the same, in yours.
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    It's not just practice, but perfect practice that will improve your technique. Practicing mistakes only ensures that you will continue to make them. This attention to fundamental details is what separates the average from above average. So, yes, dry fire, draw and presentation, getting off the X, etc., are all beneficial to the extent that they are done correctly. Learn to self-assess, then concentrate on the weak fundamentals.

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    Dry fire practice at home, focusing on aiming, breathing, and trigger control. If you can hit your target with air bullets, you'll be able to hit them with real bullets. 5-8 inches low sounds like "flinching" or "anticipating the recoil" or "pushing" - there are lots of terms. You could have an experienced shooter watch you shoot and critique you - but 5-8 inches low at 7 yards isn't an aiming problem or a gun problem. It's a "you" problem.

    What type of hearing protection do you wear at the range?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aus71383 View Post
    Dry fire practice at home, focusing on aiming, breathing, and trigger control. If you can hit your target with air bullets, you'll be able to hit them with real bullets. 5-8 inches low sounds like "flinching" or "anticipating the recoil" or "pushing" - there are lots of terms. You could have an experienced shooter watch you shoot and critique you - but 5-8 inches low at 7 yards isn't an aiming problem or a gun problem. It's a "you" problem.

    What type of hearing protection do you wear at the range?

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    Nothing special. Just a pair of full cover -30db ears.

    Oh yes. I know it was a "me" problem.
    My concern was I've never seen this before; at least not that bad. And I agree, at 7 yds it's almost inexcusable.
    I have seen a little "pull" left in the past, but this was straight low.

    I've been thinking about one of those indoor laser target gizmos for winter practice in home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightsEroding View Post
    Nothing special. Just a pair of full cover -30db ears.

    Oh yes. I know it was a "me" problem.
    My concern was I've never seen this before; at least not that bad. And I agree, at 7 yds it's almost inexcusable.
    I have seen a little "pull" left in the past, but this was straight low.

    I've been thinking about one of those indoor laser target gizmos for winter practice in home.
    Laserlyte Laser Trainer for Handgun Practice, Anytime, Anywhere

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    I dry-fire using just the sights. They will tell you everything you need to know. The laser may make it more "fun" thereby encouraging you to practice more. Commitment is key to any long term training.
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    also... me thinks you were anticipating the recoil and jerking a bit. After your warm-up, you eased up and followed thru. Practicing at a golf or gun range.....both are parishable skills.
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    It's because you were using GLOCK "clips".
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    I find I always shoot better when using magazines,never could get clips to go in my guns
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