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    Training the mind

    Here is good advice from Grossman on having your mind right before the fight ever begins. That in bold of his quote I believe in highly.

    Who decides how much force the warrior has to use? Who ultimately makes the decision that deadly force is needed? The suspect does. The enemy does. The threat does. He fights, you fight. When he uses deadly force, you use deadly force. He makes that decision for you. He has the option to surrender, and your job is to respond with what society says is your right and responsibility to do.

    This is why it is paramount that you resolve in your mind whether you can do
    it ahead of time. Only when you know you can respond will you have the
    ability to truly deter people. That is the great paradox of combat: If you
    are truly prepared to kill someone, you are less likely to have to do it.
    That person will look into your eyes and see the steely determination to kill
    him, and be less eager to attack and more likely to surrender.
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    Very good advice. +1.
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    Unfortunately the sociopath doesn't care, and the fool hasn't the sense.

    And these are the realist of threats to deal with.
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    Col Grossman has a book out On Killing is the name. I heard him speak in Sacramento and he recommended a book written by Michael J Asken PH.D titled Warrior Mindset. I am about half way through the book and realised even after fighting a war I needed to work on my mind set.

    Great topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Unfortunately the sociopath doesn't care, and the fool hasn't the sense.

    And these are the realist of threats to deal with.
    I like Grossman and have taken his course, but Glockman10mm, there is some true mountain wisdom in what you just said.
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    Our minds are our best tool. +1 on the post....
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostMaker View Post
    I like Grossman and have taken his course, but Glockman10mm, there is some true mountain wisdom in what you just said.
    I like him too. And appriciate Bill's post on the subject.
    Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.

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    I think the point is that those who are truly willing to drop the hammer give off a different vibe than those who are hesitant.

    Display weakness or indecision and they may try you. Make it abundantly clear that you will drop them and MOST people will back down. Of course nothing is a sure thing because some people are crazy or so drug influenced that they don't see things like rational people do. But if you are facing THOSE PEOPLE...you'd better be ready to have to kill them to stop them so getting your head straight before hand still applies there too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    Unfortunately the sociopath doesn't care, and the fool hasn't the sense.

    And these are the realist of threats to deal with.
    glockman while your words are true, reread that in bold of first post "If you are truly prepared to kill someone, you are less likely to have to do it." Sociopath or not IF you are truly prepared and WILL kill someone.

    There is no way to act as if you are prepared without being prepared, therein lies the secret.

    My sig line of " Guantes" is my guild for bring the gun into play. If I'm not prepared to kill him then there is no need for the gun. My gun is for one thing only, but only if needed. But if it is needed it will do what I carry it for even if I do not walk or even go home. That is my mindset.
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    Bill, please read my 2nd post. I was not disagreeing with what you posted, but adding another aspect of the type of person whom may be encountered that does not have the capacity to see or give a damn if you are "mentally prepared".

    And, I will also suggest that people may think they are mentaly prepared, but will piss their pants when the wolf growls. And I would dare suggest that this is exactly what will happen to a vast majority of "gunslingers" in their first encounter.

    Fear either propels people into greatness, or breaks them down. And while I agre that mental preperation is very important, I think its only fair to look at the other possibility.
    Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.

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    I really like this guy... Before the NRA asked him to be a contributor, he made this sensible video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill MO View Post
    Here is good advice from Grossman on having your mind right before the fight ever begins. That in bold of his quote I believe in highly.
    When I went through the police academy in '77, we all progressed fairly well. When the scene scenarios were being taught, we had our handguns loaded with blanks. Gunfights were part of secanrios.

    After the first day, several of the cadets resigned admitting to themselves they were not able to face those kinds of dangers and perhaps have to kill someone. If you're going to carry and firearm, one better be ready to use it to the point of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill MO View Post
    Here is good advice from Grossman on having your mind right before the fight ever begins. That in bold of his quote I believe in highly.
    You touch on a very important and overlooked point. All the training in the world is not going to help you without the proper mindset. All too often those who have never fired a shot in anger will hesitate, weigh their options and look for any excuse not to shoot. Shooting and/or killing someone is not an easy thing for most people. We are hardwired not to kill each other. If it were not that way there would not be anyone left on earth. All too often it is very easy to sit in your easy chair and think that when it comes to it you will shoot. However the reality is all too often different than what is imagined. Hesitation can mean the difference between life and death and odds are that the other guy will not hesitate. When I got back from Vietnam I would wake up suddenly at night and attack my wife. We had to sleep in separate bedrooms. It took a while to get back to normal. Killing another human for normal people takes a toll. Just look at the problems we have with PTSD now. Once again it is much different than what we imagine in our minds. These days, even a justified shooting will change your life and not for the better. A friend of mine was an LEO who shot and killed someone in the line of duty. For years he was dragged through the legal system and found innocent. One night he ate his gun. This is why it bothers me when gun forum members who never fired a shot in anger so flippantly state that it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Not always. Thanks for your post.
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    Yes, mindset;
    Some people have the ability to file away the experienced traumatic event in the back of their mind, and is only thought of when they find it necessary to open the file. Others don't have that ability and the traumatic event floats around in their mind and causes a continuing recall of the event(s). Many people have the ability overcome a traumatic event by self justification, pure and simple, I had to do it.
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    Sorry for the misread glockman.

    A few days ago there was a thread on the shooting of a coyote that came into someones shop. There were those who could not understand the shooting of a animal. Just my thoughts but if you can't shoot a coyote, do you really think you can shoot a human?


    Just something to think about!

    One reason I think hunting and shooting bambi is good experience for the CCer.
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