You think you're fast?

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    You think you're fast?

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    Wow just wow.

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    And there you have a demo on at least looking over the barrel if not front sight/vs true point shooting.
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    It's gotta be who you are, not a hobby. reinman45

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    Practice, practice, practice...

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    How many THOUSANDS of rounds do you think it took to get that kind of muscle memory?!
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    That's really cool, but remember they are not using standard carry holsters and no cover garment.

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    I can do that in my sleep....No, really. I dream about being that fast. : )
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    Oddly enough, and I haven't researched the guy, but some people just have a natural skill that gives them a leg up for things like point shooting, I think. I really don't see this guy practicing this thousands of times - he looks too casual. I could be mistaken. Thanks for the link!

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    Taran Butler - Ranked #2 in the world. 1st Glock Grandmaster shooter ever in history of the sport. Frequent shooter on TVs Impossible Shots

    4-Time USPSA Multi Gun National Tactical Champion
    1-Time USPSA Multi Gun National Limited Champion
    2-Time IPSC World Shoot Standard Gold Medal Team Champion
    3-Time Rocky Mountain World Tactical Champion
    2-Time Ft. Benning Multi Gun Tactical Champion
    1-Time Ft Benning Multi Gun Open Champion
    7-Time Superstition Mountain Mystery Multi Gun Tactical Champion
    2-Time Western States Single Stack Champion
    1-Time USPSA Single Stack Nationals First GM Champion
    DPMS Tri Gun Challenge Tactical Champion
    USPSA Limited 10 Shootoffs Champion
    15-Time Southwest Pistol League Champion

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    3-time Pro-Am Professional Champion (Limited & Open)
    2-time IDPA Carolina Cup Champion
    6-time USPSA Area Champion (Areas 5,6,8)
    10-time Indiana State Champion (USPSA & IDPA)
    7-time Ohio State Champion (USPSA & IDPA)
    7-time Michigan State Champion (USPSA & IDPA)
    7-time IDPA Great Lakes Regional Champion


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    These guys shoot more in a month than most will in a lifetime.
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    I wouldn't wanta compete in the Buffet line with him
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomtsr View Post
    These guys shoot more in a month than most will in a lifetime.
    Question is...where are they getting their ammo?

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    Well, actually, I'd rather be smooth and accurate. This kind of speed, while dazzling, isn't really that conducive to a good self defense framework.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadgerJ View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tomtsr View Post
    These guys shoot more in a month than most will in a lifetime.
    Question is...where are they getting their ammo?
    I have not had the opportunity to train with Mr. Butler, but I did train with Vogel last year (he is a consummate professional , and I highly recommend that anyone who wants to shoot faster and better to get in some hours with him).

    I was actually quite surprised at Vogel's yearly round count. I know many local/regional-level competition shooters as well as other "students of the gun" (i.e. those who do not compete, but pursue training as perhaps more than a hobby) who easily match or exceed his yearly live-fire count. Let's put it this way: if round count is a judge of how well one shoots, I should easily shoot way better than Bob. But, alas, I don't. There's a lot more to it than just slinging lead downrange.

    What took me by surprise was Vogel's live-fire:dry-fire ratio, as well as his confession of intensifying his dry-fire training immediately after intense live-fire sessions specifically with the goal of eradicating any "bad habits" he may have developed while shooting live.

    I'm not saying this to say that live-fire is not important. Rather, it's to put into context that live-fire isn't the only viable gauge as to a shooter's proficiency.


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