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    Self Defense Distance

    One of the major manufactures has a breakdown of percent of shootings at a particular distance. I have searched but can't find this. Anyone know what/where this is? As I recall, it said 95% of shooting were at less than 21 feet, with 55% being at ten feet or less, but I am guessing.
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    I was taught, & it was by the military so I don't know how accurate that is by civilian standards, that 21' is the minimum distance you want an armed opponent to get to you if all you have is a pistol. The further away the better but in a civilian setting this could bring legal problems I suppose. I always practise shooting at 21' but before I leave the range & extend that distance as far as I can. I feel that if the average distance in a shooting situation is down to 10' that's way too close even for an opponent armed with a knife or club.
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    You're way long. Most happen close enough to touch, which is why most CCW pistols have combat sights and jagged triggers.

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    There are lots of statistics published about the average gun fight. The 3/3/3 rule is often posted or quoted. That is three shots at three yards in three seconds. There are few references to where those statistics came from. The averages most likely include law enforcement one on one gun encounters which happen at closer ranges due to the nature of their work. If you included military encounters, the averages would be very different. The problem with averages is people then accept, train, and carry for the averages. If you train for 3/3/3 and carry a five round snub-nose revolver without a reload for defense, what happens when two or three assailants start shooting at you from 25 yards? I have carried guns for over fifty years. As a civilian, I had to draw my gun once back in the 1960s and I did not have to fire it. Statistics say I don't need to carry a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LimaCharlie View Post
    There are lots of statistics published about the average gun fight. The 3/3/3 rule is often posted or quoted. That is three shots at three yards in three seconds. There are few references to where those statistics came from. The averages most likely include law enforcement one on one gun encounters which happen at closer ranges due to the nature of their work. If you included military encounters, the averages would be very different. The problem with averages is people then accept, train, and carry for the averages. If you train for 3/3/3 and carry a five round snub-nose revolver without a reload for defense, what happens when two or three assailants start shooting at you from 25 yards? I have carried guns for over fifty years. As a civilian, I had to draw my gun once back in the 1960s and I did not have to fire it. Statistics say I don't need to carry a gun.
    Nailed it.
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    You dont get to choose the engagement distance. The distance chooses you.

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    The 7 yard mark is what most sources seem to agree upon for most encounters. I usually target practice to be within 1 inch of the bullseye at that distance, 2 inches at 10 yards and on a pie plate at 25 yards. If BG is running towards me with a weapon, 7 yards is probably less than a second and I would like to be able to hit that before it's on top of me.
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    3-6 feet.

    Go read up on the Tueller Drill.

    Over two decades ago, Sgt. Tueller wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover those same 21 feet. So he measured as volunteers raced to stab a target. He determined that the distance could easily be crossed in 1.5 seconds. These results were first published as an article in S.W.A.T. Magazine in 1983 and in a police training video by the same title, “How Close is Too Close?”.

    A person armed with a holstered handgun has a dilemma. If he shoots too early, he risks being charged with murder. If he waits until the attacker is definitely within striking range so there is no question about motives, he risks injury and even death. The Tueller experiments quantified a “danger zone” where an attacker presented a clear threat.
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    I copied these facts/statistics from an E-Book published by Beretta:

    Concealed carry shooting statistics from a Beretta E-book on concealed carry

    "... SOME STATISTICS
    55% of gunfights take place 0-5 feet.
    20% of gunfights take place in 5-10 feet.
    20% of gunfights take place in 10-21 feet.
    (ETA) 75% take place within 10 ft.
    95% of gunfights take place in 0-21 feet. (Source- FBI)

    The average man can cover 21 feet of ground in 1.5
    seconds.

    The average man cannot draw a gun from concealment
    in under 2 seconds.

    The average gunfight is over in 3-5 seconds.
    3 to 4 shots are usually fired.

    Most gunfights take place in low light conditions.
    On average, one shot in four strikes someone."


    Hope that's what you were looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secret Spuk View Post
    You dont get to choose the engagement distance. The distance chooses you.
    You are right Spuk. IMO I think to many people are putting to much faith in these stats. The real world will dictate distance. If we do not train farther than 21 feet I think we are doing ourselves a dis-service....
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldMick View Post
    I copied these facts/statistics from an E-Book published by Beretta:

    Concealed carry shooting statistics from a Beretta E-book on concealed carry

    "... SOME STATISTICS
    55% of gunfights take place 0-5 feet.
    20% of gunfights take place in 5-10 feet.
    20% of gunfights take place in 10-21 feet.
    (ETA) – 75% take place within 10 ft.
    95% of gunfights take place in 0-21 feet. (Source- FBI)

    The average man can cover 21 feet of ground in 1.5
    seconds.

    The average man cannot draw a gun from concealment
    in under 2 seconds.

    The average gunfight is over in 3-5 seconds.
    3 to 4 shots are usually fired.

    Most gunfights take place in low light conditions.
    On average, one shot in four strikes someone."


    Hope that's what you were looking for.
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    Old Mick,

    What year(s) are those stats from? In today's "spray and pray" society, I'd have thought that the number of rounds fired would be higher.

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    Again, Situation Awareness comes to the forefront about time and distance. If you draw early, nothing really happens unless you pull the trigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    Old Mick,

    What year(s) are those stats from? In today's "spray and pray" society, I'd have thought that the number of rounds fired would be higher.
    Not sure where/when Beretta got those stats, or how old they are, just relaying the information I thought was interesting enough to copy and save. However, I believe I read the E-book sometime this year because the MS Word Doc I created with the info. is dated March of 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bombthrower77 View Post
    The 7 yard mark is what most sources seem to agree upon for most encounters. I usually target practice to be within 1 inch of the bullseye at that distance, 2 inches at 10 yards and on a pie plate at 25 yards. If BG is running towards me with a weapon, 7 yards is probably less than a second and I would like to be able to hit that before it's on top of me.
    Unless I'm practicing for accuracy, which I do mostly with the one hole drill done at 3-5 yds. I shoot to make hits in what I've drawn up to be my kill zone as fast as possible. This is also done while GOTX. The less distance you have the faster it needs to be done, so the less reference to gun sights as distance increases more imput on gun and sights are given.

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