Processing and OODA loop

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    Processing and OODA loop

    We understand that a fight will not be dictated by us, the defensive carrier. This is a truth. That being said, we should practice that way. I am a firm believer in training to what your body does naturally and not gaming with my gun. That is me. This is not a slam on IDPA or anything of the sort. I think that if we are going to train for self defense we should train and practice for that.

    There are certain drills that allow for processing or OODA loop. This is where the mind has to work and you will see some delay in that process. This is not a bad thing, it is normal. I came across a drill that Rob Pincus is using and found it beneficial to the processing training that most will never do, or do not know how to train to. Take a look.....

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    Thanks for sharing.

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    OODA ? I watched several Rob Pincus vids, this newbie cannot figure out what OODA is.


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    James Yeager has a good video for OODA loop. Basically we do this thousands of times a day. Observe, Orient, Decide, Act. Go to Yeager's YouTube page and go to his playlist, it's under "before training"
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWOLDOJAX View Post
    OODA ? this newbie cannot figure out what OODA is.
    OODA loop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Not a big fan of Mr Yeager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secret Spuk View Post
    Not a big fan of Mr Yeager.
    Me neither, but some of the stuff he says is really good. You just have to ignore the arrogance and sailor-like cursing...
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    Far better training than the stand on the line and fire at the paper. For me at 15' that's 5 steps distance you should not need to stop your movement to take your shots. Movement should start before but with the draw and should continue until after the last shot.

    I'm assuming the barrels where to set the space one had inside a room or hallway. I'd also be moving in more directions than to the 3 and 9 o'clock positions. I'd also be moving towards the fight or away from it. But it's hard to set up a on the street situation on a shooting range with paper.

    Over all a good video for shooters to watch and get ideas from, far more advanced training and practice than most do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djroulette View Post
    James Yeager has a good video for OODA loop. Basically we do this thousands of times a day. Observe, Orient, Decide, Act. Go to Yeager's YouTube page and go to his playlist, it's under "before training"
    Yeager does do a video on OODA loop, but it is very minimal in comparison...His words " you have to take a class "

    Quote Originally Posted by Secret Spuk View Post
    Not a big fan of Mr Yeager.
    He has trained a lot of people. I should of expected some of his students or watchers to express there opinions on the subject. With 25 thousand + students someone is going to chime in.

    The subject is not yeager even though he speaks on the subject, the topic is about the minds process and how we can train to that. I realize that Rob did not speak of the OODA loop and that was my addition to the topic. I would rather not go down the yeager road, as it seems to get threads closed real quick....

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    My opinion of Mr Yaeger mostly reflects his close mindedness, his low opinion of anyone not doing things his way, and his arrogance. Not saying that some of his presentations are incorrect. With gunfighting as with everything else there's always more than one way to skin a cat.


    My experience is that if your gun is still in it's holster when the shooting starts... Your way behind the 8-ball. This in my opinion is the true value of the OODA loop. The ability to observe the situation allow you to orient your physical position and begin to draw, or covertly cover the possible danger. Then you can confidantly make the decision that best for your situation. If the situation go's really bad you can act with gun already in hand (even if it's still partially holstered).
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    Good drill. Training should encompass as many different drills and/or scenarios as you can. Every fight IS different and there's no way to practice that specific fight. You train (and train) different tactics/techniques/drills/scenarios to achieve a state of "nothing." That's where you act/react without having to plan or "think" about what you're going to do...you just do it.
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    Tactical Response Fighting Pistol Alum, here. What you will probably never see is a Tactical Response Alum who bad mouths James Yeager.

    I am no exception. His training is top notch. Those that "dont like him", have never met him, or trained with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StormRhydr View Post
    Tactical Response Fighting Pistol Alum, here. What you will probably never see is a Tactical Response Alum who bad mouths James Yeager.

    I am no exception. His training is top notch. Those that "dont like him", have never met him, or trained with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secret Spuk View Post
    What flavor kool-aid is served?
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