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    I was at the range the other day and the guy in the next lane had a laser on his pistol, firing at a silhouette target not even 7 yards out. Between mags i would pause and watch his shooting, as i have been considering getting a laser myself and was curious to see how it affected his accuracy. Well dang, he was all over the place! he'd put the dot right on the bullseye, then a loud bang and a hole would appear 12 or 14 inches from his aim point. Plus, he was not even grouping consistently; one shot would be in the lower left corner, the next top center, so it wasn't a question of the laser being mis-aligned. Based on the muttering and groaning i heard, i got the impression he was basically a crappy shot who had gotten a laser in the belief that it would magically enable him put put one bullet after another right through the same hole. I guess my question is, other than the obvious tactical advantage of enhanced target acquisition in low light conditions, what really is the advantage of a laser in training or self defense situations? I can see possibly getting obsessed with chasing that shaky little red dot around rather than focusing on the main source of threat. Seems to me it would mainly be useful as a dry-firing training aid, to see what is happening with the aim point right when the trigger breaks. Any thoughts on most effective use of this device?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldandInTheWay View Post
    I was at the range the other day and the guy in the next lane had a laser on his pistol, firing at a silhouette target not even 7 yards out. Between mags i would pause and watch his shooting, as i have been considering getting a laser myself and was curious to see how it affected his accuracy. Well dang, he was all over the place! he'd put the dot right on the bullseye, then a loud bang and a hole would appear 12 or 14 inches from his aim point. Plus, he was not even grouping consistently; one shot would be in the lower left corner, the next top center, so it wasn't a question of the laser being mis-aligned. Based on the muttering and groaning i heard, i got the impression he was basically a crappy shot who had gotten a laser in the belief that it would magically enable him put put one bullet after another right through the same hole. I guess my question is, other than the obvious tactical advantage of enhanced target acquisition in low light conditions, what really is the advantage of a laser in training or self defense situations? I can see possibly getting obsessed with chasing that shaky little red dot around rather than focusing on the main source of threat. Seems to me it would mainly be useful as a dry-firing training aid, to see what is happening with the aim point right when the trigger breaks. Any thoughts on most effective use of this device?
    You do get some benefit in a low light situation. Another would be vision problems. As with everything its has its place, but will not make you a better shooter if your fundamentals are not correct from the start...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    You do get some benefit in a low light situation. Another would be vision problems. As with everything its has its place, but will not make you a better shooter if your fundamentals are not correct from the start...
    Bingo, I recommend them as a training aid, but not to be solely relied on
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    I carry one because a. it can help to pick up targets in low light and help get point of aim right . Also it is psychological for me . Maybe there is nothing too but if the bad guy sees that red dot on his torso...

    Well that and you ever had a laser pointed in your eye

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    When I had my LCP I had a laser put on it, basically because the sights are useless at any distance. The laser gave me more consistency at longer ranges.
    Really though, it was more for training to point shoot. I could whip that pistol out and take out a light switch or wall socket at twenty feet every time... or so the laser indicated when I squeezed it.
    And they are kind of handy to have if you ever need to shoot from the hip. Provided it's not snowing or bright outside.

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    Not to mention they make great cat toys. In fact, they make better cat toys than aiming devices, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by high pockets View Post
    Not to mention they make great cat toys. In fact, they make better cat toys than aiming devices, IMO.
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    I joined the laser crowd a few years ago on a couple of my BUGs. I found when I was training that I wanted to look for the laser dot instead of my front sight. I went back to just night sights on my carry guns.
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    IMO...lasers are nice. I get a kick out of watching my cat chase after it. Best stress reliever in the world. Laughing is good!

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    My 686 came with laser grips. The laser is fantastic for initial training because people can see the dot wobble all over the place when they are aiming and dry firing. It really helps teach folks how to stabilize their grip.

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    My cat loves to chase the little red light from my laser. It's become a $99 cat toy. About all it's good for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldandInTheWay View Post
    I was at the range the other day and the guy in the next lane had a laser on his pistol, firing at a silhouette target not even 7 yards out. Between mags i would pause and watch his shooting, as i have been considering getting a laser myself and was curious to see how it affected his accuracy. Well dang, he was all over the place! he'd put the dot right on the bullseye, then a loud bang and a hole would appear 12 or 14 inches from his aim point. Plus, he was not even grouping consistently; one shot would be in the lower left corner, the next top center, so it wasn't a question of the laser being mis-aligned. Based on the muttering and groaning i heard, i got the impression he was basically a crappy shot who had gotten a laser in the belief that it would magically enable him put put one bullet after another right through the same hole. I guess my question is, other than the obvious tactical advantage of enhanced target acquisition in low light conditions, what really is the advantage of a laser in training or self defense situations? I can see possibly getting obsessed with chasing that shaky little red dot around rather than focusing on the main source of threat. Seems to me it would mainly be useful as a dry-firing training aid, to see what is happening with the aim point right when the trigger breaks. Any thoughts on most effective use of this device?
    Bad shooting is not the fault of the laser, provided it was propetly zeroed like anything else. His bad shooting was more likely the result of breathing or trigger pull. You didn't provide details on how his shooting was off the mark or what he was firing, etc, so I can't say.

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