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    Jelly Bryce, the legendary FBI agent sharpshooter- 3 parts

    JELLY BRYCE,THE FBI'S LEGENDARY SHARPSHOOTER

    November 12, 1945, by K. B. Chaffin

    Is copyright protected.

    Here is the link; FBI Agent - Jelly Bryce



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    I would give this more likes if I could. Thanks for posting.
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    I never get tired of reading about Jelly Bryce.
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    Thanks for sharing. I just read a story of a hero. Makes for a good lunch in downtown JAX.
    Having lived in Oklahoma, I can almost picture the faces of Jelly Bryce's family and friends.


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    Just finished reading "Legendary Lawman" by Ron Owens. It's all about Jelly. He was an interesting fellow.
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    Glad to hear people liked the information and history on Bryce. Not a man to be messed with, and fast as a cat on the draw. As one can read from the link, his SPEED in drawing and firing accurately saved his arse many times throughout the years.

    I'm reminded of one of my students comments several years back after having taken the pistol course of fire. He said "speed kills, the other guy". Pretty succinct but true as the article about Bryce confirms. Up to 8 hours a day on his draw stroke practice gaining speed and reliable COM hits, it paid off in spades on the streets and allowed him to die in bed an older man, not from lead poisoning which many tried to affect on him [ and lost trying ].

    People, some here, have poo poo'd draw speed as not that important. Beg to differ with that mentality. You can't begin defending yourself with that gast you're carrying until you've cleared the holster. The draw starts the response. That response is most likely because someone is about to cause you great bodily harm or death and started the action first. Being as fast as the perp, you lose, they started first. Being first to hit, not second to hit is the goal, is it not? If it is, the draw stroke starts that solution with a firearm.
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    Interesting read, thanks for posting.
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    Jelly was a proponent of dynamic movement as well. I submit it's of greater importance to not get hit than to get the first shot off. The determined draw stroke combined with dynamic movement is more important in getting you home than speed alone.
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    10 men in face to face shootouts! He was better, and faster, than a cat!
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    Great read, Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skipper1969 View Post
    Jelly was a proponent of dynamic movement as well. I submit it's of greater importance to not get hit than to get the first shot off. The determined draw stroke combined with dynamic movement is more important in getting you home than speed alone.
    In one of the related stories, he moved off the line of fire by one step [ he had no other room to move in ] and the speed on tap and his accuracy did the rest. Most of his shootings weren't dynamically moving affairs, per se, though some involved movement. I do agree, moving to avoid getting shot is as important as speed of presentation in most encounters, especially if your draw stroke takes an eternity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    People, some here, have poo poo'd draw speed as not that important. Beg to differ with that mentality.
    Speed is important. But if speed is all you've got, you've probably lost the fight. Or won the fight but died anyway.

    Episode of, I think, Extreme Sharpshooters, some intermittent History Channel program back when I still had cable TV on. Fast-draw champion faces robot. He's got his competition rig on to make it even better. Signal goes, both sides draw, he gets the shot first. Most excellent, right? On to slow-motion replay including laser mounted on robot's arm. When he triggered his shot, the robot's 'gun' was zeroed on his diaphragm or near-nuff to it. He probably would have taken a bullet in the gut. Told me something important right there.

    Yes, speed is important. But if you don't have something besides that, your tombstone might be saying, "Yeah, but HE'S dead too!"

    Not a satisfactory outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr View Post
    In one of the related stories, he moved off the line of fire by one step [ he had no other room to move in ] and the speed on tap and his accuracy did the rest. Most of his shootings weren't dynamically moving affairs, per se, though some involved movement. I do agree, moving to avoid getting shot is as important as speed of presentation in most encounters, especially if your draw stroke takes an eternity.
    Have you studied this in Force on Force ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skipper1969 View Post
    Have you studied this in Force on Force ?
    I have.

    Let's note something, ladies and gentlemen: Jelly Bryce was by all accounts gifted with extraordinary eyesight and eye-hand coordination. It is well and good to note how his pure speed was a factor in his victories, but he was also atypical in some of his physical capabilities and attributes. I believe it a mistake to believe that most of us can do it the same way he could, simply because we are not as gifted in this way as he was.
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    You know I have as well. I am by no means slow and I can be insanely accurate as you have witnessed. My goal is to seamlessly blend speed, accuracy, and dynamic movement. I'm not perfect with this and that's why I work at it a lot. In the fight, getting off the X and superior gun handling will trump speed in and of itself.
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