Critique My Idea for Home Defense Training

Critique My Idea for Home Defense Training

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    Critique My Idea for Home Defense Training

    Hey guys, I had an idea for home defense training. For this exercise you will need: one alarm clock, one airsoft toy, and one cardboard cutout of the movie character you most despise.

    Earlier in the day, you will want to establish an understanding of the night's activities with a trusted partner or child.

    Step One: Set airsoft pistol/shotgun/rifle in a spot comparable to or replacing your expected home defense weapon. I would suggest a comparable location, as you don't want to have your primary weapon missing in the event of an actual defense necessitating incident.

    Step Two: Put alarm clock in random room of home. Set this alarm to go off four hours after the time you regularly go to sleep.

    Step Three: After you go to bed, have partner/child place the cardboard cutout in a random room, not to coincide with the room the alarm is in.

    Step Four: The alarm will go off. You will have to get out of bed, grab the appropriate (toy) weapon, and clear your home. The cardboard cutout is your target. Leave the alarm on during the exercise to induce extra stress.

    Step Five: Eliminate the cardboard menace and congratulate yourself. Go back to bed wondering why you thought this was a good idea.


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    So, could I get some thoughts on this potential drill? Is it worth trying? Any pitfalls? I saw one as I was typing. Being half asleep, one could mistake the primary weapon for the simulated one and end up putting some bullets into the walls. Not a good thing.

    Anything else?
    Last edited by tmoreau40; December 23rd, 2013 at 02:03 AM. Reason: changed "hd" to home defense


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    Well it should make you safer for that night. LOL. You likely wont go to sleep waiting or the alarm. So you will hear any real breakins. If you do you will be highly embarrassed to sleep through the alarm and likely never will your wife and kids let you live it down LOL.
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    When you say HD = I think Harley Davidson.......................... Totally missed the point on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    When you say HD = I think Harley Davidson.......................... Totally missed the point on this one.
    Lol. Fixed it for ya.

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    The problem I see with it is the usual one I see with people who are enamored with the idea of clearing their home.

    Do you have CQB training of any kind?

    If not, then I see this drill as a dangerous exercise in overconfidence building. Not confidence building. Overconfidence building. To assume that it is a good idea to be clearing your house without some rudimentary training in CQB already constitutes overconfidence.

    Who is to say that the BGs don't hear you coming? Who is to say that they aren't waiting in ambush? Are you prepared to deal with that? A cardboard cutout leaning against the fridge hardly replicates anything remotely close to an active individual in your home.

    I see little value in a drill like this, save for embarrassing yourself when you realize that said cutout is hiding behind the door that you've had your back to for 20 seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZacMan1987 View Post
    The problem I see with it is the usual one I see with people who are enamored with the idea of clearing their home.

    Do you have CQB training of any kind?

    If not, then I see this drill as a dangerous exercise in overconfidence building. Not confidence building. Overconfidence building. To assume that it is a good idea to be clearing your house without some rudimentary training in CQB already constitutes overconfidence.

    Who is to say that the BGs don't hear you coming? Who is to say that they aren't waiting in ambush? Are you prepared to deal with that? A cardboard cutout leaning against the fridge hardly replicates anything remotely close to an active individual in your home.

    I see little value in a drill like this, save for embarrassing yourself when you realize that said cutout is hiding behind the door that you've had your back to for 20 seconds.
    I have to agree with this - as I see it, clearing my home is one of the services my friendly local police officers provide, and one of the few good reasons for paying taxes. My job is to gather any loved ones present into a defensible room, and then defend it until two to four good guys show up.

    If one feels the need to be prepared anyway, the drill seems like a good idea, as far as it goes. But, as has been noted, a cardboard BG isn't really representative. It won't shoot back, rush you and grab your gun, run from you towards your family, or put its hands up and surrender. Those dynamics make a huge difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxwell97 View Post
    I have to agree with this - as I see it, clearing my home is one of the services my friendly local police officers provide, and one of the few good reasons for paying taxes. My job is to gather any loved ones present into a defensible room, and then defend it until two to four good guys show up.

    If one feels the need to be prepared anyway, the drill seems like a good idea, as far as it goes. But, as has been noted, a cardboard BG isn't really representative. It won't shoot back, rush you and grab your gun, run from you towards your family, or put its hands up and surrender. Those dynamics make a huge difference.
    I agree, unless you have children that need to be secured you already have a defensible position. Just hold tight and wait for the calvary to show up.
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    I'll just add this - you referred to using an "airsoft toy". Airsoft guns are not toys. They are capable of putting out an eye, breaking through the skin, etc. Obviously not as powerful as a gunpowder-powered projectile, but absolutely not a toy. Thinking of them that way can lead to injury. At the end of my first session of force-on-force training using airsoft, I counted 18 bruises on my body and two bleeding wounds on my hand. Thank goodness we were wearing face protection. Fortunately, with more training, I got better at not being shot .

    As a former SWAT team member, I can tell you that the only way to clear a home effectively is with a trained team - and even then, it is quite dangerous. When you try to do it solo, the BG has all the advantages.
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    Put in the proper context, I think this is a good idea. Get your partner to follow you like they do in IPSC and time various actions. Length of time to clear each room, length of time to get up and oriented and find your firearm.

    I'd also have them set the alarm clock to be at an unknown time, and in at least one run outside the sleeping room (to see how lightly you sleep?).

    Post the results here.

    Bear in mind that the following caveats apply:
    1. This engenders over confidence since paper targets (BL voice) don't hit back /bl voice.
    2. You should be defending in place, calling 911 and you should have your phone near your bed and always charged up. You also need spare mags and a flashlight near the bed.

    I think it's good to know your limitations. This drill might show you just how terrible you are at responding (or not). You might also try running it with your wife if she hasn't divorced you by then. :D

    Good post. Liked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutrodoc View Post

    As a former SWAT team member, I can tell you that the only way to clear a home effectively is with a trained team - and even then, it is quite dangerous. When you try to do it solo, the BG has all the advantages.
    I agree with most of your post but not the highlighted portion. True, you're not in a great position but the BG isn't either. He has no idea if he's tripped an alarm or if there are any; he probably doesn't know how many people are home or if anyone is home; he doesn't know the layout of your home at all. He could have reconned/cased your house and gained some intel but it's as likely that he's going in blind. You and the BG certainly could blunder into one another in the dark resulting in mutual surprise, but I think the homefield advantage can give the occupant some advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutrodoc View Post
    I'll just add this - you referred to using an "airsoft toy". Airsoft guns are not toys. They are capable of putting out an eye, breaking through the skin, etc. Obviously not as powerful as a gunpowder-powered projectile, but absolutely not a toy. Thinking of them that way can lead to injury. At the end of my first session of force-on-force training using airsoft, I counted 18 bruises on my body and two bleeding wounds on my hand. Thank goodness we were wearing face protection. Fortunately, with more training, I got better at not being shot .

    As a former SWAT team member, I can tell you that the only way to clear a home effectively is with a trained team - and even then, it is quite dangerous. When you try to do it solo, the BG has all the advantages.
    As someone who lives an hour or so from the trained team, I'll work with what I have.
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    I'm pondering the same things and I'm am now thinking that, I need to reinforce the doors and windows and make it so that I hear them trying to break in. Maybe baby monitors by the typical entry points? This way I will hopefully be ready for them when they do get in. As I will hopefully have a indicator as to where they are interning. Maybe even some driveway alerts by the entrances. And have them positioned so that you have to be about 1 foot from the door before it alarms me.
    What do you guys think?

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    Personally, I am not a proponent of going in search of a threat in a dark house unless it is absolutely necessary. IMHO, it is better to have a safe room to retreat to or sleep in that is arranged to be defensible. Stay in the room, cover the entry point with a fully loaded shotgun, call 911, and tell the intruder that anything that comes through the door is going to be minced, so leave now the police are on the way. A handgun and an AR for backup don't hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZacMan1987 View Post
    The problem I see with it is the usual one I see with people who are enamored with the idea of clearing their home.

    Do you have CQB training of any kind?

    If not, then I see this drill as a dangerous exercise in overconfidence building.
    Yup.

    Cardboard cutouts don't shoot back. There's a world of difference the moment the assailant is "real" and attempting to take you down. Assailants move, they can move quickly, they can strike from cover, there can be multiple assailants, they can be armored against a couple of strikes, and all the rest. CQB is a booger, for most people. And an alarm clock and cardboard cutout won't cure that.

    Head to some quality CQB type training. It's about the only way to do it right. Altogether too many "sticky" aspects to understand and deal with, if effectiveness is the goal.
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