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    training: the other side

    Before you expend the time and money for training...

    In my personal experience, I've seen many people go through management or leadership courses, parrot the course material back perfectly, ace the tests... and then it all seems to evaporate the instant they walk out the door, as they continue to do exactly what they always did.

    So, before you spend the money... are you *really* going to listen?

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    IMO you are correct, learning and applying a skill for some can be difficult. However with a firearms course you will apply what you learn on the range. It may be lost over time, but when you leave you should have skills that when you entered you didnt have....
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    I know that the OP is well meant, but I have not seen anything like "folks not paying attention" during any of the gun training that I have taken.

    Playing off what Harryball said, I also bought the Tactical Response course DVDs, knowing that I would want to "brush up" after a period of time had passed. And I agree, Harry, its about the skills you picked up, not some classroom lecture.
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    Ditto, TRX...........

    are you *really* going to listen?
    ........and then implement, act on and institutionalize what you learned?

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    Personally if it's close to home, and under a small lotto win. I'd like to get some advanced training and insight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennydale View Post
    Personally if it's close to home, and under a small lotto win. I'd like to get some advanced training and insight.

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    No matter what you think you know, there is always a better way. Go to classes that will challenge you and push you out of your comfort zone. If your not pushed to the point of failure, your not learning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRX View Post
    Before you expend the time and money for training...

    In my personal experience, I've seen many people go through management or leadership courses, parrot the course material back perfectly, ace the tests... and then it all seems to evaporate the instant they walk out the door, as they continue to do exactly what they always did.
    So, before you spend the money... are you *really* going to listen?
    IMO comparing shooting training to management and leadership training is comparing apples to chairs. When the company pays and tells you to go you do not have the incentive to internalize the coursework that you do when it is your choice and your money!!!!

    I think it is quite possible that people who take one course just so they can pass a carry permit test might "walk out the door" and not put that training to use.

    However, the vast majority of people who seriously want to learn to shoot will walk out the door, take their training with them, and USE it as much as they can given their individual circumstances.
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    I guess it is up to the person taking the class. Yes, I have taken classes just to pass the test and then move on. However, if I am going to be taking a training course that would help me defend myself and my loved one, you better believe I will be paying attention and try to implement was was taught to me. Some classes are way more important than other classes.
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    If one attends a few classes and expects to retain it all w/o continual reinforcement; well; that's a bit naive'; yes?

    In over 25 years learning, instructing and judging martial arts, I can't recall any student who took a few classes and competed
    in a tourney. Hmmm? Go figure.
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    I know what you're talking about, OP, and have seen it play out a few times. Some friends and I have taken multiple training classes of various lengths and focuses together but not all of us implement and regularly practice what we were taught. IMO, it's a waste of time and money if you're not going to take it serious. If you just want to play and have fun for the weekend and nothing else, paintball is a much cheaper alternative.
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    In over 25 years learning, instructing and judging martial arts, I can't recall any student who took a few classes and competed
    in a tourney. Hmmm? Go figure
    Sure they do it happens everyday on gun forums, including this one, across the interweb.

    A person watches the latest Magpul video, reads an article in Guns and Ammo or God forbid sees it on youtube, it must be real, and now they are ready for the real world, active shooter, robbery attempt or whatever other scenario.

    Most folks who are committed enough to pay for training will generally pay attention and absorb what is presented but as stated will they follow through with it in their daily activity is the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzburgh View Post
    I know what you're talking about, OP, and have seen it play out a few times. Some friends and I have taken training classes of various lengths and focuses together but not all of us implement and regularly practice what we were taught. IMO, it's a waste of time and money if you're not going to take it serious.
    Not being able to practice/implement after the class doesn't equate to people not "taking it serious"
    For some who take courses being able to regularly practice and implement what they learned just isn't feasible.

    Ranges don't always let people draw from holsters (concealed or otherwise), don't let them shoot on the move, don't let them practice "rapid fire" etc etc etc...
    Unfortunately not everyone has access to a range that does allow these things (or better yet, have their own property to practice on), even still it can be worth taking a class or three when financially able (and have the time) to do so.
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    I have been in classes where some students lost out on the learning opportunity because they were to trying to impress the instructor or class with what they thought they already knew .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotorflyr View Post
    Not being able to practice/implement after the class doesn't equate to people not "taking it serious"
    For some who take courses being able to regularly practice and implement what they learned just isn't feasible.

    Ranges don't always let people draw from holsters (concealed or otherwise), don't let them shoot on the move, don't let them practice "rapid fire" etc etc etc...
    Unfortunately not everyone has access to a range that does allow these things (or better yet, have their own property to practice on), even still it can be worth taking a class or three when financially able (and have the time) to do so.
    Yep! Have these folks ever heard of dryfiring, at home?

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