So you don't need to practice,,,,BGs don't

So you don't need to practice,,,,BGs don't

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    So you don't need to practice,,,,BGs don't

    According to the study, 40% of the criminal attackers received formal firearms training, over 80% regularly practiced with firearms (averaging 23 practice sessions a year), more than 40% had at least one gunfight experience, and 25% had been involved in more than 5 gunfights.

    If you're like most people, you operate under the popular assumption that bad guys don't have any firearms training and don't practice shooting. It's a comforting thought, because it suggests that as long as you're armed and have a little training, you stand a pretty good chance of surviving a violent attack.

    However, the data in this report suggests that may not always be the case.

    Something to think about......


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    They are more willing and able to use force, including deadly force.
    Whether you encounter a dumb thug who isn't expecting you to fight back or a career criminal with a lot of training and experience may be a matter of luck. But as they say, luck favors the prepared.
    These are the two main points that caught my attention.
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    Gee, I wonder who the trainers are that are training criminals!
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    Practice is a must. If you're going to carry, you're obligated to know how to use it and use it well. IMO.

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    In the immortal words of NONAME762, I'm calling "Bravo Sierra" on this. I don't know what they are considering Firearms training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmattingly73 View Post
    In the immortal words of NONAME762, I'm calling "Bravo Sierra" on this. I don't know what they are considering Firearms training.
    I know and have trained under the author of the original article, linked here:
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmattingly73 View Post
    In the immortal words of NONAME762, I'm calling "Bravo Sierra" on this. I don't know what they are considering Firearms training.
    You should read the actual paper that the article links. It describes the training as military, high school shooting programs, basic firearms skills courses, instruction from relatives and hunter safety programs (listed in order of numerical priority).

    I'm nowhere near done with reading it; so far I just skimmed through, but it seems to be a very interesting read.
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    There is an indoor range that I frequent rarely now, mostly because of the prevalence of thugs in groups shooting sideways with one hand holding up their pants.


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    You have to understand that that was a study about criminals that have "successfully" shot a police officer. It does not include data from officers that were shot at but missed. It is what I call a cherry picked study. So yes, people that are successful in hitting their target most likely have been practicing. Do I think these numbers apply to the average criminal? Not at all.
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    40 cases is not enough to base a study on. That's less than 1 case per state.

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    Military-Trained Gang Members Worry FBI, Oklahoma Police - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com |
    There are more posts on google about this problem.

    This is one of the reasons cops are up arming and using more military equipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX expat View Post
    You should read the actual paper that the article links. It describes the training as military, high school shooting programs, basic firearms skills courses, instruction from relatives and hunter safety programs (listed in order of numerical priority).

    I'm nowhere near done with reading it; so far I just skimmed through, but it seems to be a very interesting read.
    I wonder how much bragging or lieing the thugs were doing to enhance their image and street creds

    But there is no excuse for us to not train or shoot.

    My shooting will be down some this year as I can't afford to renew my membership with my upcoming layoff. Need the money for other stuff so I'll have to depend on friends taking me as a guest.

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    I am guessing that military training is the most prevalent.

    Then I remember my own military firearms training and am somewhat comforted that if what they got was like what I got, I don't have much to be worried about.
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    Training improves skills, opens minds.

    Folks don't come out of "charm school" with the "PhD's" in crime without bolstering some practical skills ... predation, weapons making, tactics for dealing with people of all sorts, take-down methods, staying under the radar, and all the rest. It would surprise the heck out of me that a good percentage of weapons-wielding violent criminals didn't at least take some measures to become competent. Same benefits as for anyone else, that competency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkh View Post
    I wonder how much bragging or lieing the thugs were doing to enhance their image and street creds

    But there is no excuse for us to not train or shoot.

    My shooting will be down some this year as I can't afford to renew my membership with my upcoming layoff. Need the money for other stuff so I'll have to depend on friends taking me as a guest.
    Yeah, the absolute bottom line is that you can't really 'expect' anything to be in your favor. It's really not all that relevant to the vast majority of us because we aren't LEO and therefore probably won't be encountering these types of folks at all, and if we do, it's not going to be in the same manner since we aren't trying to arrest them.

    Personally, my philosophy is that I train regularly so the bad guy won't have any more advantages over me than absolutely necessary. I say that because as a concealed carrying private citizen, just about any encounter I ever find myself in isn't going to be one of my choosing, so I've already lost a fairly sizable advantage.
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