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Training Intent. People not paper....

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    Training Intent. People not paper....

    This may cause some instructors on the board to re-think there teaching. It might also cause some of the nonchalant carriers out there to have a hissy fit. I have read this article twice now looking for something that I can disagree with. I have found nothing. What I am glad to see, is that someone is saying it.

    Keeping it real IMO seems to be the best method for SD training. No sugar coating what we are doing. If interested Please take a moment and give it a read.

    Training Intent: People, Not Paper - Monderno
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    The only targets my students ever see in classes I teach are silhouette milk jug targets and human picture targets. We also do FonF with roped guns, just to get them used to pointing their guns at live people and pulling the trigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    The only targets my students ever see in classes I teach are silhouette milk jug targets and human picture targets. We also do FonF with roped guns, just to get them used to pointing their guns at live people and pulling the trigger.
    What about the big bad "Kill" word, if you do not mind me asking....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    Is that for your carrying classes or for non carrying classes....
    It is nearly all with carry in mind around here anymore.
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    I do not sugar coat what we are doing. There is no nice way to describe shooting someone in self defense. To keep within the guidelines of an NRA class, some of the information is given after the NRA portion has concluded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    This may cause some instructors on the board to re-think there teaching. It might also cause some of the nonchalant carriers out there to have a hissy fit. I have read this article twice now looking for something that I can disagree with. I have found nothing. What I am glad to see, is that someone is saying it.

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    Tried the link but get an error message.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    What about the big bad "Kill" word, if you do not mind me asking....
    While the emphasis is always on stopping the threat, I don't dance around the kill word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exacto View Post
    I do not sugar coat what we are doing. There is no nice way to describe shooting someone in self defense. To keep within the guidelines of an NRA class, some of the information is given after the NRA portion has concluded.
    We do the same thing. Gives the folks in class a more real look at things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exacto View Post
    I do not sugar coat what we are doing. There is no nice way to describe shooting someone in self defense. To keep within the guidelines of an NRA class, some of the information is given after the NRA portion has concluded.
    Same here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    While the emphasis is always on stopping the threat, I don't dance around the kill word.
    I know some instructors do. Thanks Mike...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    I know some instructors do. Thanks Mike...
    I think anyone who ever took the NRA Instructor Course without additional training got that way honestly. While it is by-and-large a decent course, it tries hard to remain politically correct. No human shaped targets, no use of the word "weapon", the list is long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    I think anyone who ever took the NRA Instructor Course without additional training got that way honestly. While it is by-and-large a decent course, it tries hard to remain politically correct. No human shaped targets, no use of the word "weapon", the list is long.
    It really stinks the way they sugar coat things. Some of the classes that they offer are pretty good or have the potential to be real good. The outside the NRA classes I have attended have all been right on, but so many take the NRA courses, and think they understand, IMO I think they are really causing a disservice....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    It really stinks the way they sugar coat things. Some of the classes that they offer are pretty good or have the potential to be real good. The outside the NRA classes I have attended have all been right on, but so many take the NRA courses, and think they understand, IMO I think they are really causing a disservice....
    In a word, lawyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    It really stinks the way they sugar coat things. Some of the classes that they offer are pretty good or have the potential to be real good. The outside the NRA classes I have attended have all been right on, but so many take the NRA courses, and think they understand, IMO I think they are really causing a disservice....
    True story- I was interested in taking a particular training course from a very highly regarded shooting school, and made a phone inquiry. The lead instructor explained to me that the course was for people who were well beyond novice shooters, and that I should take a prerequisite course instead. He did, however allow that my previous shooting experience and training might qualify me to take the the course I wanted. I explained that I had been shooting all my life, including seven years in the infantry. That's great, he said, but wasn't really relevant to the course I had in mind. Anything else? I told him that as a matter of fact, I was a certified NRA Pistol instructor. "In that case, you definitely need to take the prerequisite class." He was dead serious.
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