Anybody know anything about The Vickers Shooting Method?

Anybody know anything about The Vickers Shooting Method?

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    Anybody know anything about The Vickers Shooting Method?

    I was looking for training classes (that aren't filled already) and ran across a place in NC that teaches the VSM, or Vickers Shooting Method.
    Their philosophy is:
    Rule one; Know and adhere to the real world safety rules that govern professional firearms handling.

    Rule two; Only accurate hits on target can decide the fight in your favor – therefore accuracy is King.

    Rule three; You are accountable for every round you fire – squeeze the trigger as if your life depends on
    it because it does.

    All that sounds good, but I never heard of this before, and before I sink $150 for a one day class, I wanted to know if the Gurus here have ever heard of it.
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    Well, if it Larry Vickers he is pretty much a top dog bad butt.

    but if it's his method... from some guy who learned it from a guy who read it a book given to them by Larry Vickers's dogs cousin.....

    I know you like research. Mr. Charts.

    So how long has the school been around? who are the instructors? what are their credentials? who taught them?

    FWIW- I would not be overly concerned with "the method" as I would be about who is teaching the class....

    and I mean down too, ok, the school is OWNED by Mr. Super Qualified - but does he have secondary instructors that are Mr. Super Clown??? who will ACTUALLY be teaching the class you paid for on that day???

    good luck
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    I have heard of the mantra, but have not heard of the Vickers shooting method. In his tac tv show, he credits Rob Latham and Ken Hackathorn for making him the shooter he is today....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DingBat View Post
    Well, if it Larry Vickers he is pretty much a top dog bad butt.

    but if it's his method... from some guy who learned it from a guy who read it a book given to them by Larry Vickers's dogs cousin.....

    I know you like research. Mr. Charts.

    So how long has the school been around? who are the instructors? what are their credentials? who taught them?

    FWIW- I would not be overly concerned with "the method" as I would be about who is teaching the class....

    and I mean down too, ok, the school is OWNED by Mr. Super Qualified - but does he have secondary instructors that are Mr. Super Clown??? who will ACTUALLY be teaching the class you paid for on that day???

    good luck
    Yes, I like research. The instructors learned from Vickers and others.
    Steve, the primary instructor is a veteran of the United States Marine Corps, in which he served as an Infantryman. He has been an avid shooter and has strived to expand existing skills by seeking additional tactics training. Steve has attended multiple pistol and rifle courses, and has attended Firearms Instructor Development Courses. Steve has had many hours of tactical firearms training from James Yeager, Greg "Sully" Sullivan, Larry Vickers, and Bill Gallagher. Steve is part owner and an Instructor for Defensive Concepts North Carolina. He is a former Firearms Instructor for a nationally recognized training firm and has trained numerous Military and Law Enforcement personnel and civilians in the United States and Canada.

    Steve's instructor credentials include:

    North Carolina State Certified Concealed Carry Handgun Instructor
    NRA Certified Pistol Instructor
    Certified NRA Range Safety Officer
    SWAT and Advanced SWAT trained
    Certified M16/M4 Armorer


    The other instructor is Chris is a Law Enforcement professional employed by a large metropolitan agency in North Carolina. Chris’s current duties include urban surveillance, serving high risk search warrant, and teaching defensive tactics and building searching methods to active duty law enforcement officers. He is also a veteran of the US Army where he worked as an airborne infantryman and communications specialist.

    Chris's firearms training includes multiple pistol, rifle, and shotgun courses taught by a variety of instructors and organizations to include: Larry Vickers, Ken Hackathorn, Bill Jeans, Kyle Defoor, Scott Reitz, Pat Rogers, Paul Howe, Jason Falla, US Training Center and the Surefire Institute.

    Chris also has an extensive martial arts background that spans over 14 years. In addition to rankings in several different systems, Chris has experience in Brazilian JiuJitsu, police defensive tactics and military combatives.

    Chris has too many certifications to list.

    Unfortunately, I don't recognize the names they studied under.
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    If you like research, you might enjoy starting with Larry Vickers (vickers tactical)
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    I love that you do as much research as you do. I'm often accused (and guilty of) being a bit anal in homework myself. For $150 for a day I'd say go for it given the credentials you have listed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvMyPX4 View Post
    ...and before I sink $150 for a one day class....
    How much are one-day classes of the same caliber, in your area?

    Most of the one-day classes where I am are between $125 range, and that's for "no name" locals without national endorsements.

    As for the endorsed systems, the exact quality will depend on the instructor(s) teaching the material. Typically, though, the VSMs schools are very highly thought-of in the community.
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    those rules are pretty much common sense, no? not much of a method. Slap an Acronym and bang, you got somethin! I see this everywhere across all disciplines. People love acronyms! Heck, they have make up the long form names so they form a cool acronym. Acronyms used to be just a short hand but now they are the destination. Seinfeld should come back and do a show on acronyms! LOL (acronym). Especially in the tech industry! I get the tech gurus come visit me at various companies I've owned wanting to sell me acronyms, CRM, ERM, MRP, CMS, ERP, ....., rather than solutions. My first rule was, NO acronyms during our meeting or you get thrown out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMB View Post
    If you like research, you might enjoy starting with Larry Vickers (vickers tactical)
    That is good advice. and I probably will before I sign up for the class.
    I asked it here, because, though there are so many different opinions on this forum, there is a lot of wisdom here that I also respect.
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    ^ I'm no expert - just a fellow consumer who wants the best for his money.

    With big-names like these, I think part of the danger is a "disciple effect" as you get farther and farther away from the person who actually originated the teachings. So like JMB wrote, it may simply be best to save-up and perhaps even take a little trip to get it directly from the man whose name appears on the system.

    I think two of the "systems" that's easiest to see this with is with Paul Castle's CAR system as well as with the CFS system by Rob Pincus. Look at the fanaticism that these two systems have generated, particularly in terms of how their licensed instructors tend to take their indoctrinated system as the "by-Hoyle only way of doing things."

    To the best of my knowledge, Vickers' schools are typically very metric-driven: typically lower-round-count (as compared to other big-name classes), with the induced stress of the timer. For the beginner-tier VSM classes, expect to have the fundamentals really drilled into you, progressing to holster work and basic stoppage reductions, all the while with a focus on marksmanship whenever rounds are discharged. Use Google to pull up "VSM AAR" and you'll see that this is a pretty consistent theme. I have *_not_* had the opportunity to attend a VSM class, but I have had real-life friends go through them, and they thought it was pretty darned good. Instead of teaching a system, what they do is utilize a set system to teach the fundamentals and to use how the shots print downrange as proof of the students' progress. They're not there to sell the system. They just use the system as a known way to teach the fundamentals.

    IIRC, in years past, there was a then-new VSM instructor who was censored by Vickers after some rather questionable training methods were brought to his attention. I think this speaks rather highly of the VSM system: that the "Big Boss" actually cares.
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    The next training expert is the last guy to read the book you wrote after a life time of learning and shooting.

    I probably put to much emphasis on has the instructor been involved in a hostile shooting situation. How to train the mind and how to deal with the chemicals that flood your system are a big part of it for me. The learning of the mechanical movements can be learned from most average instructors.

    Just how I feel about training.

    Is there a live fire shoot house in your area that will take you as a student?
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    No offense to the shooter or method but it sounds like what a person should do just different words

    1 Know your weapon

    2 Placement of shots

    3 Stop the threat no more no less

    Every class I have ever taken here or abroad has stated the same thing, my first official class was 1957
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