If any of the members have taken the 4 day LFI-1 course taught by Massad Ayoob, did you feel the course was worth the time and money spent? It now costs $800.00 for the 4 days.
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If any of the members have taken the 4 day LFI-1 course taught by Massad Ayoob, did you feel the course was worth the time and money spent? It now costs $800.00 for the 4 days.
BTDT. Yeah, anything over $150 or so makes me think twice. But, thinking is good, and at an Ayoob course you'll think more than many. He's recognized for his material and his thinking. It's top notch.
IMO, his LFI-1 and LFI-2 courses are the best of their kind. Now, there are a lot of courses out there. Some focus on the legal/textbook aspects of carrying and self-defense. Some focus on shooting skills. Some focus on overall defensive preparation and tactics, with active shooting being only a tithe of the covered material. Some are 100% force-on-force arrangements (a la Suarez). Take as many as you can, from a variety of top trainers, since most of the top ones strongly contribute to your preparations and skills.
There aren't many good alternatives to LFI-1. About the closest you get is the book In The Gravest Extreme. LFI-1 is that book on steroids. Heavy on the pros/cons and mindset. Focus on the responsible thinking that must go into carrying concealed. About 65-70% class time (lecture and discussion), with the remainder on the range.
Add to that a few courses that cover weapons retention, CQB fighting, short-range / carbine rifle and other skills, then you've got a good "base" of overall defensive skills in the tool chest. IMO, LFI-1 (and perhaps -2) should be part of the chest.
The video's listed below are taken directly from two of the multiple lectures from his 40 hr. LFI-1 class.
I highly recommend these video's to anyone who carries a gun. It will give you but a little taste of what you will get from the entire 40 hr. LFI-1 course.
If you like what you see, save your pennies and enroll in his class. IIRC, his program is approx. 60% lecture and classroom and 40% intensive combat shooting 500+ rounds.
I am saving my money and looking for one of his on the road courses offered closer to home. (My goal for 2008)
Judicious Use of Deadly Force
by Massad Ayoob
130 min available on VHS and DVD
http://www.ayoob.com/
Physio-Psychological Aspects of Violent Encounters
by Massad Ayoob
120 min. available on VHS
http://www.ayoob.com/
I went to LFI I and II in 1986. They were both well worth it. There is a good balance between class and range time.
Yes, I have taken it, and I recommend it highly. Full class review here.
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Chump change for what you learn in the class, if you can pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Concealed Carry
There is a shooting qualifier and a written test you won't pass if you don't pay attention in class. BUT if you take the course I doubt you won't pay attention.
I never saw anyone nodding off, even though we spent ten hours a day covering material. Let me say this, "If you can sleep in that class, you need medical help!"
Attended in the late 80's courtesy of my then employer and would highly recommend these courses as a bargain at twice the current price
I know people who have trained their Myself I only train anymore when health and money allows with Suarez International. My book of you want to learn gun fighting instead of gun shooting nothing comes close to SI
Heck, all I got was the CQB Instructor Course that Uncle Sam provided, and some paid time applying what was learned. :wink:
The videos and info provided by the previous posts (above) are very appreciated. We all need to go back to shoolin at regular intervals to stay safe and proficeint.
(One of the reasons I appreciated this Forum = not a lot of worthless trash to wade through and alway several good threads on stuff I should think about, know or learn to be better).
Take the class, you won't be sorry. It is money well spent. I've done LFI1 and I would like to take it again.
DITTO to all of the above...
Mas is tops when it comes to the legalities of the use of lethal force. :yup:
My biggest thing with Mas is he gets you to thinking more about legalities than using lethal force while you are in the fight.
Yes you need to know what is legal in the state you are in. But when you are in the fight for your life is not the time to be thinking about what some DA is going to do after you hopefully come out alive. 2nd guessing your action we get you killed and you have to be alive to worry about what happen afterwards.
I've gone through Mas' MAG-40 class twice and I found it has been worth every penny and then some! The first time was in Las Vegas and this last time was at the Live Oak, FL. The information provided in the class during the four days is overwhelming! 20 hours of legal and 20 hours of range time! This is NOT a learn to shoot class! For that Mas has a MAG-80 class or go to Gunsite.
Just a note, As a repeater you get a 50% discount!
The cadre and group in Live Oak, FL were top notch and most are either retired LEOs, active LEOs, and some Miltary retires! If I take another class with MAS it will be at the Live Oak, FL. group.
Here is a link to his current website: Massad Ayoob Group
A good deal of the material presented in LFI-1 will give the law abiding person pause, there are so many legal traps we can fall into. We have to accept that legalities are part of the fight. Successfully defending yourself only to go to prision or be sued into poverty would make for a rather hollow victory. Having the knowledge of what is and isn't legal leaves us free to fully concentrate on the threat and less likely to hesitate. LFI-1 gives us that knowledge.
No one class is going to give us all the training and information we need. If we are truly interested in surviving a self defense encounter all facets of the fight need to be addressed.
Which is why he drills it into everyone's heads so heavily, I'd say. Hopefully, then, the drilling has been so focused and intensive that it'll stick with you, so that when the chips are down in a fight for your life it's all instinctive and then you don't have to be mulling over what the DA/GJ is going to think. A bit like what we all do with dry-fire drills, stress-induced live-fire drills, CQB FOF type training, etc. "Muscle memory," if you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill MO