Anyone Been To Lethal Force Institute?

Anyone Been To Lethal Force Institute?

This is a discussion on Anyone Been To Lethal Force Institute? within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; If any of the members have taken the 4 day LFI-1 course taught by Massad Ayoob, did you feel the course was worth the time ...

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 25
Like Tree4Likes

Thread: Anyone Been To Lethal Force Institute?

  1. #1
    New Member Array Concealed Carry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Eastern NC
    Posts
    10

    Anyone Been To Lethal Force Institute?

    If any of the members have taken the 4 day LFI-1 course taught by Massad Ayoob, did you feel the course was worth the time and money spent? It now costs $800.00 for the 4 days.


  2. #2
    VIP Member Array ccw9mm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    28,343
    BTDT. Yeah, anything over $150 or so makes me think twice. But, thinking is good, and at an Ayoob course you'll think more than many. He's recognized for his material and his thinking. It's top notch.

    IMO, his LFI-1 and LFI-2 courses are the best of their kind. Now, there are a lot of courses out there. Some focus on the legal/textbook aspects of carrying and self-defense. Some focus on shooting skills. Some focus on overall defensive preparation and tactics, with active shooting being only a tithe of the covered material. Some are 100% force-on-force arrangements (a la Suarez). Take as many as you can, from a variety of top trainers, since most of the top ones strongly contribute to your preparations and skills.

    There aren't many good alternatives to LFI-1. About the closest you get is the book In The Gravest Extreme. LFI-1 is that book on steroids. Heavy on the pros/cons and mindset. Focus on the responsible thinking that must go into carrying concealed. About 65-70% class time (lecture and discussion), with the remainder on the range.

    Add to that a few courses that cover weapons retention, CQB fighting, short-range / carbine rifle and other skills, then you've got a good "base" of overall defensive skills in the tool chest. IMO, LFI-1 (and perhaps -2) should be part of the chest.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
    Thoughts: Justifiable self defense (A.O.J.).
    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
    NRA, SAF, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.

  3. #3
    Moderator
    Array Bark'n's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    West Central Missouri
    Posts
    9,916
    The video's listed below are taken directly from two of the multiple lectures from his 40 hr. LFI-1 class.

    I highly recommend these video's to anyone who carries a gun. It will give you but a little taste of what you will get from the entire 40 hr. LFI-1 course.

    If you like what you see, save your pennies and enroll in his class. IIRC, his program is approx. 60% lecture and classroom and 40% intensive combat shooting 500+ rounds.

    I am saving my money and looking for one of his on the road courses offered closer to home. (My goal for 2008)

    Judicious Use of Deadly Force
    by Massad Ayoob
    130 min available on VHS and DVD
    http://www.ayoob.com/

    Physio-Psychological Aspects of Violent Encounters
    by Massad Ayoob
    120 min. available on VHS
    http://www.ayoob.com/
    -Bark'n
    Semper Fi


    "The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."

  4. #4
    VIP Member
    Array srfl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    FL
    Posts
    6,868
    I went to LFI I and II in 1986. They were both well worth it. There is a good balance between class and range time.
    USAF: Loving Our Obscene Amenities Since 1947

  5. #5
    pax
    pax is offline
    Senior Member Array pax's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    WA state
    Posts
    506
    Yes, I have taken it, and I recommend it highly. Full class review here.

    pax
    Kathy Jackson
    My website: Cornered Cat

  6. #6
    Member Array H8SPVMT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    SC
    Posts
    264
    Quote Originally Posted by Concealed Carry View Post
    If any of the members have taken the 4 day LFI-1 course taught by Massad Ayoob, did you feel the course was worth the time and money spent? It now costs $800.00 for the 4 days.
    Chump change for what you learn in the class, if you can pass.
    There is a shooting qualifier and a written test you won't pass if you don't pay attention in class. BUT if you take the course I doubt you won't pay attention.

    I never saw anyone nodding off, even though we spent ten hours a day covering material. Let me say this, "If you can sleep in that class, you need medical help!"
    onacoma likes this.
    Certified Glock Armorer

  7. #7
    Distinguished Member
    Array whoppo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Southern Maine
    Posts
    1,378
    Attended in the late 80's courtesy of my then employer and would highly recommend these courses as a bargain at twice the current price
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    The Second Amendment *IS* Homeland Security
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------- Μολὼν λαβέ ----------------------
    ----------------------------------------------------------

  8. #8
    Member Array lostone1413's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    112
    I know people who have trained their Myself I only train anymore when health and money allows with Suarez International. My book of you want to learn gun fighting instead of gun shooting nothing comes close to SI
    Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.
    John F. Kennedy

  9. #9
    VIP Member
    Array ANGLICO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    I'm the guy next door that is polite, but does not tell you crap.
    Posts
    3,961
    Heck, all I got was the CQB Instructor Course that Uncle Sam provided, and some paid time applying what was learned.

    The videos and info provided by the previous posts (above) are very appreciated. We all need to go back to shoolin at regular intervals to stay safe and proficeint.

    (One of the reasons I appreciated this Forum = not a lot of worthless trash to wade through and alway several good threads on stuff I should think about, know or learn to be better).
    Last edited by ANGLICO; November 21st, 2012 at 07:46 PM. Reason: Spelling kicks my back side - I type faster than I spell!
    Socialism Kills! Time proven, with a very large body count! We are a Constitutional Republic....... not a Democracy, get it correct!

    Don't be mistaken for a Gecko45: http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/

    Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14qTdp-Dd30

    ANGLICO Images

  10. #10
    Member Array rick21's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    here
    Posts
    139
    Take the class, you won't be sorry. It is money well spent. I've done LFI1 and I would like to take it again.

  11. #11
    Sponsor
    Array DRM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Near Historic Williamsburg, Virginia
    Posts
    717

    Thumbs up

    DITTO to all of the above...

    Mas is tops when it comes to the legalities of the use of lethal force.
    "...with liberty and justice for all..."
    (Must be 18. Void where prohibited. Some restrictions may apply. Not available in all states). - D. Stanhope

    D.R. Middlebrooks - Pro Shooting Coach & Custom Gunsmith
    Tactical Shooting Academy & Custom Shop
    www.TacticalShooting.com

  12. #12
    Distinguished Member Array Bill MO's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Missouri
    Posts
    1,524
    My biggest thing with Mas is he gets you to thinking more about legalities than using lethal force while you are in the fight.

    Yes you need to know what is legal in the state you are in. But when you are in the fight for your life is not the time to be thinking about what some DA is going to do after you hopefully come out alive. 2nd guessing your action we get you killed and you have to be alive to worry about what happen afterwards.
    onacoma likes this.
    It's gotta be who you are, not a hobby. reinman45

    "Is this persons bad behavior worth me having to kill them over?" Guantes

  13. #13
    Distinguished Member Array onacoma's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Nevada
    Posts
    1,329
    I've gone through Mas' MAG-40 class twice and I found it has been worth every penny and then some! The first time was in Las Vegas and this last time was at the Live Oak, FL. The information provided in the class during the four days is overwhelming! 20 hours of legal and 20 hours of range time! This is NOT a learn to shoot class! For that Mas has a MAG-80 class or go to Gunsite.

    Just a note, As a repeater you get a 50% discount!

    The cadre and group in Live Oak, FL were top notch and most are either retired LEOs, active LEOs, and some Miltary retires! If I take another class with MAS it will be at the Live Oak, FL. group.

    Here is a link to his current website: Massad Ayoob Group
    Last edited by onacoma; November 22nd, 2012 at 12:50 PM. Reason: Add link:


    In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a congress. -- John Adams

    If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! -- P.J. O'Rourke

  14. #14
    Member Array rick21's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    here
    Posts
    139
    A good deal of the material presented in LFI-1 will give the law abiding person pause, there are so many legal traps we can fall into. We have to accept that legalities are part of the fight. Successfully defending yourself only to go to prision or be sued into poverty would make for a rather hollow victory. Having the knowledge of what is and isn't legal leaves us free to fully concentrate on the threat and less likely to hesitate. LFI-1 gives us that knowledge.

    No one class is going to give us all the training and information we need. If we are truly interested in surviving a self defense encounter all facets of the fight need to be addressed.

  15. #15
    VIP Member Array ccw9mm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    28,343
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill MO View Post
    My biggest thing with Mas is he gets you to thinking more about legalities than using lethal force while you are in the fight.

    Yes you need to know what is legal in the state you are in. But when you are in the fight for your life is not the time to be thinking about what some DA is going to do ...
    Which is why he drills it into everyone's heads so heavily, I'd say. Hopefully, then, the drilling has been so focused and intensive that it'll stick with you, so that when the chips are down in a fight for your life it's all instinctive and then you don't have to be mulling over what the DA/GJ is going to think. A bit like what we all do with dry-fire drills, stress-induced live-fire drills, CQB FOF type training, etc. "Muscle memory," if you will.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
    Thoughts: Justifiable self defense (A.O.J.).
    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
    NRA, SAF, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Sponsored Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Thoughts Regarding the Lapse Between Lethal and Non-Lethal Force
    By littlejon126 in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: October 9th, 2009, 06:34 AM
  2. Is a chair cause for lethal force?
    By ExactlyMyPoint in forum Carry & Defensive Scenarios
    Replies: 37
    Last Post: July 10th, 2009, 11:25 AM
  3. Attacked While Armed = Lethal Force?
    By M2 in forum Carry & Defensive Scenarios
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: October 17th, 2008, 02:12 AM
  4. lethal force?
    By titleist in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: May 31st, 2007, 09:14 PM
  5. Can *you* exercise non-lethal force?
    By xsquidgator in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 71
    Last Post: October 20th, 2006, 06:53 PM

Search tags for this page

leathal force institute
,
lethal defense institute
,

lethal force institute

,
lethal force institute & washington state
,
lethal force institute 2011
,
lethal force institute 2011 schedule
,

lethal force institute 2012

,

lethal force institute 2012 schedule

,
lethal force institute courses
,
lethal force institute/2012
,
lethalforceinstitute
,
massad ayoob lethal force institute
Click on a term to search for related topics.