August 11-12, 2007 - Progressions of Point Shooting & Fighting At Night - Boulder Cit

August 11-12, 2007 - Progressions of Point Shooting & Fighting At Night - Boulder Cit

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    August 11-12, 2007 - Progressions of Point Shooting & Fighting At Night - Boulder Cit

    August 11-12, 2007 - Progressions of Point Shooting & Fighting At Night - Boulder City, NV


    August 11-12, 2007
    Progressions of Point Shooting & Fighting At Night
    Boulder City, NV

    Force on force training has proven beyond any argument that the traditional shooting range methods are simply not suitable for reactive gunfighting. In this course, Suarez International Specialist Instructor Roger Phillips will teach you the "Fight Continuum".

    Roger has studied extensively with Suarez International. He has also researched virtually every threat focused shooting system for many years. This course distills it all into one well thought out and extremely applicable system that dovetails neatly into the regular Close Range Gunfighting matrix, presenting the full aspect of the integration of sighted and unsighted fire at CQB distances.
    We will be covering the progression of point shooting and movement with ambient light on the first night. Then the progressions of point shooting and movement with the use of a flashlight on the second night.


    Duration: 2 days 3:00PM - 11:00PM

    Ammunition: Approximately 1500 rounds (minimum)

    Requirements: Pistol, Carry Holster, 3 magazines and magazine pouch and Range Safety Gear

    Instructor: Roger Phillips

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    Point Shooting and Fighting at Night

    Point Shooting and Fighting at Night

    It is a well documented fact that the vast majority of gunfights happen in low light situations. Obviously, the criminal element prefers to operate under the cloak of darkness. It is also pretty well documented on how much more difficult it is to get to your sights while fighting at night. Even with the advent of night sights and the usage of a flash light, having the ability to point shoot is still an absolute must in my eyes.

    Night sights have severe limitations. The most obvious (at least to me) is that they have to be at “line of sight.” This is a very important point! The necessity to be at line of sight while the brain is starving for the visual input of the entire encounter, due to darkness, can be very detrimental. Having the ability to work “below line of sight” becomes even more important during low light situations, than during the day. This is obvious due the lack of visual input that can be taken in during low light situations. To further hinder this lack of visual input by having the gun up in your face can be very counter productive.

    The second limitations of night sights is the fact that their niche is when you have enough light to ID the threat but not enough light to see your standard sights. In an outdoor environment with no artificial light, night sights are really only good during the waning light right after the sun goes down or as it is about to come up. So the reality is that night sights are only good for a small period of time or under a small percentage of lighting levels. To think that all you need is “sighted fire” skills and night sights is a big mistake IMHO.

    I have had Trijicons on my self defense guns for years. I have trained with them at night extensively. I have never been very happy with my performance with the night sights. I am not sure what the problem is, whether it was me, my eye sight, or the sights, I was just never satisfied with my performance while training to fight at night, even with over 200 hours of formal “sighted” low light training. Learning and refining my point shooting skills changed all of this….and changed it dramatically.

    As a civilian and predominantly as a civilian trainer, I am a firm believer of “only use the flash light when you have to use the flashlight” school of thought. For me this is primarily for making the ID. There are some other uses of course, such as being able to see the terrain, additional threats, finding cover, lighting up the sights, and adversely affecting the adversary’s vision. But all of these have to be weighed carefully with the fact that your flash light is a target indicator which can make it (and you) a bullet magnet. This weighing of the pro’s and cons is something that has to be considered and worked in your training and not something that you find out when the poop hits the props.

    The combination of the use of night sights and a flash light is better than either of them alone, but still does not cover all of the bases that need to be covered IMHO. The trifecta of night fighting is the combination of point shooting skill, flashlight skills, and night sight skills (in that order.) This is the only way to have all of your bases covered. This is the only way to have all of the skills/techniques to be able to have the tactics that you will need to prevail while fighting at night. Without all three of these skills, your techniques will dictate your tactics. This is never a wise idea! You must have the skills and techniques that allow you to use the very best tactic to make your strategy work for your specific situation. It is my firm belief that fighting at night without sound point shooting skill or flash light techniques or night sight skills is like fighting with one arm.

    It is my opinion that point shooting really shines in four separate arenas low light, dynamic movement, integration of H2H, and for those with physical limitations. It is my opinion that without quality point shooting skills you will never take these four separate arenas to their full potential. When we look at the extreme possibility of the fight happening in low light and the fact that dynamic movement, integration of H2H are very high percentage possibilities and that physical limitations affect a significant number of us, point shooting becomes and obvious necessary factor in the fight equation.

    Point shooting vastly improves your ability to fight while using dynamic movement.
    Point shooting vastly improves your ability to fight in the dark without the flash light.
    Point shooting vastly improves your ability to fight with a flashlight due to the extensive work with one handed point shooting, which opens up a vast array of quality flashlight techniques.
    Point shooting vastly improves your ability to combine the use of dynamic movement with your flash light techniques.
    Point shooting vastly improves your ability to fight when you can not see your sights or when you are not doing well with your night sights.
    Point shooting vastly increases your odds “to hit and not be hit” due to the ability to turn off your light after the ID is made and engage in the dark.
    Point shooting vastly improves your ability to index onto the threat while and after you need to integrate going H2H.
    Point shooting vastly increases your speed and odds of winning if you suffer from physical limitations.

    Come on out to Vegas and meet me at the Boulder City Range and I will show you that this is not about point shooting…..this is about what is possible because of point shooting. August 11-12, 3 PM to 11 PM. Come on out and pick up some of the most important skills, techniques, and concepts and you may ever need. Come on out and learn how to win, while fighting at night.

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    This night course is going to be a very involved course. We will attempt to get as much of the regular two day Progression of Point Shooting course covered as possible. This will include the fundamentals and the taking of those fundamentals into the arena of dynamic movement. I will need to stream line this course a bit but the overview of the course will be very close to the usual course description as stated below.

    Point Shooting Progressions Course Overview

    The “Fight Continuum” React as you need to react, see what you need to see, and move as you need to move.


    This course comes directly out of my experience in Gabe’s “Interactive Gun Fighting” course. Immediately after the course I went out looking to train with the very best point shooters in the country. This course is a direct link to my findings while training with Gabe, 7677, and Matt Temkin. This course is designed to make a shooter the very best that they can be in regards to point shooting with dynamic movement. It is designed to make the shooter more well rounded and completely versatile inside what is now being called “The Fight Continuum.” After this course you will be able to use your hand/eye coordination to make combat accurate hit from any angle, from any position, throughout your one and two handed draw stroke, with whatever movement is necessary. This course is designed to fill in the gaps in prior sighted fire training so that the shooter can seamlessly integrate sighted and unsighted fire into one “simply shooting” concept.

    Precision sighted fire

    Flash sight picture shooting

    Ten elements to threat focused shooting

    Alternative line of sight sighting methods

    Quick fire

    Introduction and benefits of below line of sight point shooting

    Mid point of drawstroke point shooting

    Count Three point shooting

    Zippering throughout the two handed drawstroke, integration of sighted fire

    Focal transition drills

    Failure to stop drill

    Two handed multiples at appropriate distances with appropriate extension, integration of sighted fire

    Introduction and benefits of one handed point shooting

    Completely versatile drawstroke, elimination of stance dependence, and the use of the visual centerline

    Line of sight point shooting (FSA point shoulder)

    One handed below line of sight point shooting

    FSA three quarter hip

    FSA half hip

    Elbow up/ Elbow down

    Progression of elbow up/Elbow down

    One handed zipper, integration of sighted fire

    Focal transition drills

    Failure to stop drill

    One handed multiples at appropriate distances with appropriated extension, integration of sighted fire

    Introduction to controlled movement and sighted fire

    Fluid Situational Response

    Get the heck out of Dodge movement and the use of cover with sighted fire

    Get out of the “Kill Zone” drawstroke

    Four elements of accurate shooting with dynamic movement

    Movement must have “purpose” lecture

    Preparation for movement to “sectors”

    Dynamic movement while fighting in all directions from varying distances with varying extension

    Introduction to feints, jukes, cutbacks, and elliptical movement

    Put it all together “S” drills

    Plus a lot more……1500 rounds minimum…..if you want to shoot more, bring more!


    Much of the above curriculum will be run at night with ambient light. There will be just enough light to ID the threat but not enough to see your sights. This is the perfect environment for point shooting....this is where point shooting really shines.

    The second night of the course will be run in extremely low light.

    We will cover a good deal of the curriculum above with the use of flashlights.

    We will be using tried and true techniques and tactics for fighting in extremely low light.

    We will cover the importance and the difficulty of the threat identification and some tricks to improve your ability to make the ID.

    We will be covering the full spectrum of flashlight techniques and tactics on shoot/no shoot targets.

    There will be a total integration and combination of point shooting, fighting in no light, fighting in low light, fighting with flashlight, use of the night sights, fighting by muzzle flash.

    We will be discussing the fundamentals of night fighting and the tricks of the trade used by those that fight at night.

    The course will culminate with the Total Darkness S-drill, one of the coolest drills that I have ever seen.

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