Grip and control of the gun.

[FIREARMZ]

I am posting a few pictures of grips and some explanations of them, cons and pros.
Constructive criticism is welcome.

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[dimmak]

Excellent Post, Ken!

More please, I'll take all I can get......

[FIREARMZ]

Thanks for the compliment, actually I just discovered how to edit the photos today lol

[QKShooter]

Thanks!
I'm glad that you have got the photo thing figured out.

I guess that we can look forward to more photos being posted by you from this point forward?

Hopefully so.

[Intentional Flincher]

Yeah, good grip. Unfortunately on HKs, when you drain the mag you get a *click*

[FIREARMZ]

Yeah, good grip. Unfortunately on HKs, when you drain the mag you get a *click*

The same thing happens on the SIG's. When I am shooting my SIG I just keep that thumb flagged or roll it over on top of the support thumb. Not a difficult task to do and I still maintain control to fire rapid shots. If you use this grip you will find you have significant less muzzle flip and the gun returns to target faster. If you are shooting a SIG or HK it will take a little bit of practice but it works. I will post a pic of a SIG later. I don't own any HK's.

[Protect]

The same thing happens on the SIG's. When I am shooting my SIG I just keep that thumb flagged or roll it over on top of the support thumb. Not a difficult task to do and I still maintain control to fire rapid shots. If you use this grip you will find you have significant less muzzle flip and the gun returns to target faster. If you are shooting a SIG or HK it will take a little bit of practice but it works. I will post a pic of a SIG later. I don't own any HK's.

Yep, I have to put my right thumb over my support thumb or it will hold the slide release down.

[Whyveear]

Is your support hand not wrapped around your shooting hand? It looks to be a combo between the trigger guard and your shooting hand. Is this intentional?

[FIREARMZ]

The support hand is around the firing hand for the better part, the support hand is slightly rotated to the front, it is called a Camming Grip. I try to point the support thumb at the target, that cams the muzzle downward. If you do it correctly you will feel a little bit of tendon pull on the support arm.

[Benthic]

Ken,

A question, if you don't mind. In looking at your second photo, I like the idea of extra recoil support from the hands. However, in looking at the angle of your forearms, it appears that the weapon is held in a 'low ready' position instead of a firing position. Is that correct or am I missing someting? If the weapon is brought up to eye leve to fire, do the hands still offer that extra support, or has the angle changed?

Guess I'm gonna have to head to the range and try this out.

Thanks,

Brian

[Whyveear]

The support hand is around the firing hand for the better part, the support hand is slightly rotated to the front, it is called a Camming Grip. I try to point the support thumb at the target, that cams the muzzle downward. If you do it correctly you will feel a little bit of tendon pull on the support arm.

Never seen that before...at least I don't think so. I use a high grip as well with thumbs forward but the support hand is around the firing hand and up against (under) the trigger guard.

[rocky]

So is camming used for only short distance shooting? Seems if you were to try and carefully aim with that grip , it would be more difficult.(as well as the gun/sites would be closer to your eyes).

[Redneck Repairs]

Good example of the technique for a " cam grip " . For those who dont use the grip or have not been shown it properly .. The index finger of the weak hand does not have quite enough space to fit , so as you squeez it cams against the bottom of the trigger guard , in theory locking the gun into the knuckle with consistent pressure from 3 sides . The other advantage is it lowers the bore axis in the grip and allows the gun to recoil freely in a line rather than torque against a lower grip . To shoot it properly tho you grip the pistol and allow it to recoil , it will return where it started or nearly so , unlike a classic grip where you use muscle tension to overcome recoil .

Edited to add Enos and top competitors all tend to use that grip now , and they seem to do well , i have not weaned myself off a more classic grip yet tho .

[FIREARMZ]

Ken,

A question, if you don't mind. In looking at your second photo, I like the idea of extra recoil support from the hands. However, in looking at the angle of your forearms, it appears that the weapon is held in a 'low ready' position instead of a firing position. Is that correct or am I missing someting? If the weapon is brought up to eye leve to fire, do the hands still offer that extra support, or has the angle changed?

Guess I'm gonna have to head to the range and try this out.

Thanks,

Brian

In the photos I was actually holding the gun low in front of the camera. I was doing it alone so so thats why it looks like it is being held low.

[Protect]

When you try the grip in the first post have a buddy push up and down on the gun barrell while you have a full firm firing grip, switch to your normal grip and notice the difference. Having the support hand rotated down provieds a pre tension that really helps with control of muzzle flip.