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Would holding the pistol sideways (along with tilting your head likewise so you can still achieve proper sight alignment/picture w/ the iron sights) while firing from behind cover actually be a viable technique in reducing the profile of your noggin over the cover?
You can do it. Shooting with a ballistic shield it is needed(LE/ SWAT use). For barrier shooting , I see no real need .
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ANYTHING that would reduce your profile and reduce the chances of you getting shot while being able to shoot back would be a viable technique.Would holding the pistol sideways (along with tilting your head likewise so you can still achieve proper sight alignment/picture w/ the iron sights) while firing from behind cover actually be a viable technique in reducing the profile of your noggin over the cover?
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+1 to what Hotguns said.
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Its proper technique to cant your gun slightly when shooting one handed. No head tilt needed.
You arm is naturally stronger with the slight inward cant.
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I've never tried shooting a pistol like this, but I've heard problems with jams when the ejection port is facing up. I wouldn't rely on a tactic like that until I put a few hundred rounds through your pistol "gangster style"Originally Posted by credy
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I saw the title of this thread and thought it might be "open season" on gangsta'z...my bad
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Exactly. Recoil management is much better too. Less muzzle flip and back on-target faster.
The POI / POA difference isn't significant at combat distances.
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I find that weak hand improvised combat shooting is often improved when the gun is 'allowed' to angle at 15-20 deg or so off vert.
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Bingo! ^^
People scoff at this method of handling and aimed shooting, but frankly out side of movies and TV it does work and does well when practiced and trained into ones muscle memory.
As long as round(s) outbound hit target(s) inbound whether ones sights are on the horizontal or off does not matter as the bore axis remains same 360 degrees.
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Be careful, though, folks - what is being espoused here is a slight to moderate cant, NOT a 90 rotation off of vertical. With the arm extended in a one handed grip, the hand will naturally cant a bit towards the "inboard" side - this is a very good and natural position for one-handed shooting. You can still use the sights if you have time, the weapon is held solidly, the recoil impulse will not feel dramatically different from vertical hold, etc.
In the end, though, Hotguns is right - if you can shoot accurately while maintaining cover, do it! Even if it means you are upside down, holding the weapon between your feet, pulling the trigger with your pinky....
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I have noticed that I tend to cant the gun a bit when shooting around the left side of a barrier to try and minimize the amount of body surface past the barrier. I should also say that i am right handed.
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If you're tired of turning your head sideways to see down the sights, maybe this will help when you are shooting sideways.
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I thought that the thread title would be about gangser shooting, if it was titled "gangsta shootin'.
that doesn't make sense. sorry.
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Canting the gun slightly is part of the "natural fist" that was taught at several schools in the 80's as a fast way to put rounds on target in a "close hostile interpersonal encounter" where you are only able to use one hand. It is still taught by many schools but for different reasons. This technique is based on the fact that when you point, or punch, your grip angle is canted inward with the natural alignment of the arm and wrist bones. You do this naturally. And when combined with eye/hand coordination can put rounds or target. This technique was taught at near-contact distances.
Another reason for canting gun slightly is "cross-eye dominance". Usually this occurs in people who were supposed to be left-handed but their parents forced them to be right handed. Instead of having to re-learn to shoot and manipulate a gun we teach "cross eye dominant" shooters to cant the pistol slightly so they can shoot right-handed while focusing with the left eye.
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