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    Hand to hand

    I have been a gun guy since I started my career in law enforcement. Like many officers that is where I was formally introduced to handguns. I met a fellow officer who was a "gun nut" who I befriended. He taught me a lot and I am a better officer for it. One thing that I didn't learn was H2H skills other than what I learned in the academy. Over the past few years I have been focusing more on H2H skills to up my game. Many of us like to shoot paper but how many of us are serious enough about self defense that we train for all aspects of the fight?

    My belief is that we, as self defense practitioner, are more likely we will have to defend ourselves from an unarmed attack than an armed one. Not all attacks warrant the shooting of a bad guy as well all know.

    What do you think? Is it important to continue our training for all events likely to happen or just armed ones?
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    All events.
    I was mainly into the unarmed aspects before I became a court officer.
    As you said, a hand to hand struggle is a lot more common than shots fired.

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    I believe that its important to be "well rounded". That being said I don't have any h2h training other than karate when I was like 8. Its something I'm interested in and will be looking into further. I'm really interested in krav maga, but any h2h is better than none.
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    Good point.
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    Krav Maga is definitely the in thing right now and looks interesting. I have recently started Wado Ryu Karate and am leaning a lot. It is definitely not the end all be all but is good exercise and worth learning. I started doing it cause my boys were having a blast with it.

    So many of us don't want to do H2H cause it is hard, or not as fun as the ol' trigger press but it is very worth while. The more our guns are taken away (especially by stores and other locations) we need to have more skills to defend ourselves.
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    I try to keep all my skills up as much as possible. Having had LE H2H training and a little martial arts training has helped. Staying fit seems to be the most important , as if ya can't breath ya can't fight.
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    http://www.arrestling.com/

    Try the above link. These guys are cops and train a lot of the time with gunbelts on. They train a lot in mixed martial arts.

    Maybe you have something like that where you live. It's a lot of fun and just makes sense to train for the real world (mixed martial arts), as most fights go to the ground.

    Happy training, state6three8.

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    Look into Systema, it's from Russia... looks very affective.

    http://www.systemamartialart.com/

    The schools are in Canada, but they have multiple DVD's etc...
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    Look into WW2 H2H.

    Two of the members here, Matthew Temkin [ NYC ] and 7677 [ Ohio ], are well versed in the methods.

    Learning unarmed defensive knife, in some good courses like Jim Keatings [ Walla Walla, Wash ] or Ray Dionaldo [ out of south Fla for unarmed against a blade ] will put you in good standing in a lot less time that a martial program. Three days with any of the above would be very beneficial

    I also train others in a few of the basic WW2 combatives skills/techniques learned from 7677 and Matt while at the "Sightless in Tucson" event the three of us put on in Oct 05.

    It was very easy to inject some of their ww2 work into the unarmed against a knife I've picked up over many years of training with Keating.

    Of all the unarmed combatives I've seen, the ww2 materials are quicker to pick up and very devastating. They've also been proven in combat but Matt could explain more in that area than myself.

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    AZQKr..thanks for the kind words.
    My old man was a WW2 ranger and was taught H2H by the British Commandos.
    When he returned to the U.S. after Anzio he was assigned as a close combat instructor.
    7677's grandfather was a WW2 Marine Raider, and those boys were tough!!
    Here is a link that has a ton of written material on the WW2 methods..
    http://www.gutterfighting.org/Main.html

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    I am confident that my Judo would work well against someone that I were trying to detain.
    The preceding post may contain sarcasm; it's just better that way. However, it is still intended with construction and with the Love of my L-rd Y'shua.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agave View Post
    I am confident that my Judo would work well against someone that I were trying to detain.
    Good for you Agave, I am proud that you have a plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Edwards View Post
    Good for you Agave, I am proud that you have a plan.
    LOL. I can't decide whether you are being a smartass or not.

    I seriously recommend Judo or Hapkido.
    The preceding post may contain sarcasm; it's just better that way. However, it is still intended with construction and with the Love of my L-rd Y'shua.

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    I seriously recommend Judo or Hapkido.

    One a "soft" system, the other a "hard" system. An interesting recommendation sir. I've been trained in both types [ not the two you mentioned ], and combining some of the best techniques from both seems to fit nicely dependant on the situation you find yourself involved in. I never take my feet far from the ground in any skills, balance is best kept when weight is on both and shuffled to stay under you [ OMMV ]

    I'm pretty sure Rob was complimenting you on having the forethought to train in some H2H skills, but he'll likely weigh in on his own.

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