This is a discussion on Thumbs forward - why? within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by DCJS Instructor I’ve become a firm believer in the saying: “It’s a way not the way.” The phrase means there are several ...
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I always shot "Thumbs Down" as that's what I was taught almost thirty years ago, as a kid.
I still shoot revolvers a lot, and "Thumbs Forward" is not a good idea when shooting a revolver. However, last year I went to F.L.E.T.C. with an open mind. I was told that I could use whatever "grip" worked for me and decided to learn the "New Way".
One of the Instructors took the time to work with me and now I shoot thumbs forward when I'm holding a "bottomfeeder". I find it works much better for shooting a 1911, and I may go back to carrying a 1911 again. As some of you know, I don't carry a 1911 because I failed to take the safety off one night when I should've. I don't think this would've been an issue if I had been using a High-Thumb position.
The only problem I have now is 30 years of "Weaver Stance". That same Instructor was kicking my foot as I was shooting to get me to move it to where it belonged. I find myself "bladed" a lot and find the Weaver to work well for me when I'm shooting a revolver.
For me it's become simple. Round grip equals Weaver and Thumbs Down. Square grip equals Iso and Hi-Thumbs.
I recently (today) changed over from the thumbs-over weaver grip to thumbs forward. It all felt good, and I could engage a LOT faster, but all my shots where down in a tight little group in the low left 'flinch zone'. I can put them all center with thumbs-over. What am I screwing up? Obviously this is very subjective, and short of having you lot drive out here and watch me shoot, you won't know exactly where I am going wrong, but maybe some pointers are in order?
I will submit that you may be flinching now. Your previous grip may have hidden the flinch but not it is becoming evident. Try the following when you shoot.
Use a smooth, even, press, straight to the rear while focusing exclusively on the front sight. Don't try to overdrive the trigger. Let the gun shoot when it is ready. All you are doing is moving the trigger to the rear.
Another trick: See how far to the rear you can press the trigger without the gun going off.
PM me, I have lots of ways to reduce and eliminate flinching
One of the better videos I've seen on the thumbs forward grip:
Because if you hold thumbs up, the recoil will shove them up your nose. Then your gun gets all bogered up.
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Shoot however you're comfortable... thumbs forward, thumbs down, Weaver stance, isosceles stance, heck, hold the gun upside down if you want to... it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is if your sights are lined up when it goes bang.
Last edited by ruso; February 2nd, 2013 at 01:42 AM. Reason: Grammar
I perfected my F.R.O.W.L. (Fully Rolled Over Wrist lock) grip in 1999. I never called it a "thumbs forward" grip, because you can have the thumbs forward, and still not have wrist lock. The wrist lock is key to making it work.
More information and teachings on it can be found here:
Proper Grip & Recoil Managment
Correct me if I'm wrong, but having more physical contact points with the weapon itself will offer more stability. This is what I was trained to do when learning how to handle a handgun.
Wow! Talk about reviving an old thread!
FWIW, I shoot with my thumbs down, left (support) thumb over the right (shooting) thumb. Thumbs-up/forward is unsafe for revolvers (due to gases escaping from the cylinder gap), and as my usual daily carry is a LCR, I'm going to keep things consistent, even when I carry a semi auto pistol.
The funny thing is, every time you read a post about someone accidentally hitting the slide lock lever, and locking their slide open with rounds still in the mag, they are always using the thumbs-up/forward grip. Sorry, but I think keeping your digits near controls and rapidly moving machinery, when they do not need to be there, is a really bad idea.
No one in my camp as ever had that problem...The funny thing is, every time you read a post about someone accidentally hitting the slide lock lever, and locking their slide open with rounds still in the mag, they are always using the thumbs-up/forward grip. Sorry, but I think keeping your digits near controls and rapidly moving machinery, when they do not need to be there, is a really bad idea.
Neither do any of my students. Mainly because we don't "clam shell squeeze" the gun with the off like some guys do.
That may be true, but just because something has not happened, does not mean it won't happen. And like I said, if you shoot both revolvers and semi-autos, the thumbs up/forward grip is probably a bad idea.