Things that go BANG in the night

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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter
    So what do you do if you're sleeping and you wake up when you hear a loud crash and crunching metal?
    A vehicle is on fire in front of your home & you're not sure if there are people in there or not? You can't see in 'cause it's starting to fill with smoke.
    You're right there...what do you do?
    Call the fire department...let the sucker burn & go back to sleep? You're not sure if there is anybody trapped in there...or not.
    You just call the fire department or do you go over to see if you can get a lady that's knocked out on the vehicle floor and maybe her two kids out of there???
    I mean the gas tank could blow up at any second.
    You could be KILLED or horribly burned/maimed for life.
    The leaking gas and open flames are just exactly as unpredictable as a possible stray bullet.
    Probably Better just to let the occupants of the vehicle burn to death.
    I guess that would be the best thing to do since I'm not a trained fireman and I'm not looking to take a trip to the morgue or the hospital burn ward.
    Thanks for the helpful advice folks.
    QK, I think the scenario you posited is vastly different from AC's and he even admits he knows it wasn't the brightest idea in hindsight. I think we'd all have taken action in the scenario you propose, but this other thing was the literal equivalent of taking a knife to a gunfight and we're very fortunate not to have lost AC's input on this forum had there been a tragedy. There are certainly lessons to be learned here, for all of us. I also applaud his courage and pluck and desire to help just as I stated in my first post, I just think it was unwise. But I wasn't there and HE was. That's another important point. Easy to be the armchair quarterback here in South Florida (even if the airconditioning IS off in my class...hot as blazes) but it's different if it's your neck on the line, right?
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    AC1 Lickey, Sir,you did what you felt had to be done. I wasn't there so I can't add my comment as to what I would have done. I can simply state that from an outsiders perspective,all else being equal,I would have done things different. That being said,I could give you advice as to what to do but seems that you've gotten enough of that. I hope that by some of the comments made in this forum you will not think that you are a fool,dumb,an idiot,etc. That,sir was not "the stupidest thing that I have ever heard of." I will,at this time,not share that with you. But it does have something to do with the very "famous" phrase"THIS DIRECTION TOWARD ENEMY". Anyway,I feel that a person will do what they feel is right. If I agree with it or not doesn't make it "stupid". Odviously to some here,it does. Before I get censored,let me just say that I agree with QKShooter in post #15.(Only he said it better that I could(would) have. Stay with us. I always want our men in uniform to feel free to input. I have learned from this forum and I'm sure that you will also.---------

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    I think that it's great that we can all agree to disagree on some thread topics. If we all felt exactly the same way & had the identical opinion on every topic & subject then we would not need to talk about anything or discuss anything at all (in fact) we would not need a web forum at all.

    The Forum would maybe look like this:

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    The Sky Is Really Super Blue Today!

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    Bud White ~ ( X ) Real Nice Blue! Good Day For Shootin'
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    ExSoldier762 ~ ( X ) I Agree!
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    rssz ~ ( X ) I Agree!
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    Bumper~ ( X ) I Agree but, your services are no longer needed QK.
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    Tangle~ ( X ) VERY BLUE ~ Decent Shade Of Blue!
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    Betty~ ( X ) QK...I agree but, you're still kind of a dork.
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    D. Armstrong~ ( X ) I really couldn't say anything about that anymore.
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    Euclidean~ ( X ) I'm fairly familiar with the color spectrum & and the principle of refraction of light...actually the deep blue color is more of an optical illusion. The atmosphere is not really tinted blue but, only appears to be blue to the human eye. But, I perceive it as blue also.
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    QKShooter~ ( X ) I agree with myself...sort of.
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    So I'm very glad that we're all different but, mostly 'like minded" when it comes to R.K.B.A. & carrying "whatever" trusted firearm for our personal protection.
    Revolver or Semi~Auto ~ In Kydex or in Leather (though LEATHER is probably better! ) ~ & Caliber .380 right on up to Bud's New S&W 500 Boomer.

    That is the STRONG common bond that we all share & is much more important than how any particular member feels about one incident or what they would (or would not do) in any specific scenario.
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    The real enemy is those folks that would deny us our right to Self~Protection...our individual & collective freedoms...and the pursuit of our happinness. Let's get some milage out of that pursuit of our happiness too! Be happy. Let's learn as much as we can about good concealed carry & personal defense.
    We are all a fantastic and amazing bunch of people. Many more cuts above the whining sheeple.
    Just my opinion that I even really like the folks that disagree with me often...as long as they are decent about it. I learn a lot here and I appreciate all of you and ALL the other highly valued members that I neglected to include in my incredibly dumb and silly example - up there.

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    Just my cup of tea old man! Well said
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    There you go--sayin' something that I agree with again. The one thing that I have found out reading these"pages" is that I"m usually right,but when I'm not then someone else is usually right,about the same amount of time that I'm usually right.Hey!, funny how that works out about even.-------

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    This is an extremely old thread, but I figured I should add some information.

    First off the victim was a her. Her name was Georgia Thompson, and she was the first victim murdered by Mark Goudeau, aka the Baseline Killer. I did testify for the prosecution with what little information I had in his trial, and I am glad to say he was found guilty.

    Her parents came by our apartment later that week, apparently the police had told her about what I had done and they wanted to thank me. Luckily I was at work and my (then) soon to be wife spoke to them.

    I know what I did was stupid and put me at an unbelievable risk, I've even spoken to the medical examiner and while I was told there was nothing I could have done. But I still feel like she died because I screwed up and didn't look hard enough.

    It's changed me quite a bit.
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    I was wondering why someone opened an 8 year old thread. Your explanation was a good reason to revisit it. Thanks for the follow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post
    So what do you do if you're sleeping and you wake up when you hear a loud crash and crunching metal?
    A vehicle is on fire in front of your home & you're not sure if there are people in there or not? You can't see in 'cause it's starting to fill with smoke.
    You're right there...what do you do?
    Call the fire department...let the sucker burn & go back to sleep? You're not sure if there is anybody trapped in there...or not.
    You just call the fire department or do you go over to see if you can get a lady that's knocked out on the vehicle floor and maybe her two kids out of there???
    I mean the gas tank could blow up at any second.
    You could be KILLED or horribly burned/maimed for life.
    The leaking gas and open flames are just exactly as unpredictable as a possible stray bullet.
    Probably Better just to let the occupants of the vehicle burn to death.
    I guess that would be the best thing to do since I'm not a trained fireman and I'm not looking to take a trip to the morgue or the hospital burn ward.
    Thanks for the helpful advice folks.
    Just because a thread is 8 or more years old don't mean it can't be relevant.

    I want to commend Airman First Class Lickey for doing what he did. He showed a lot of gumption.

    I'm also impressed he made 3 rates in just 8 years. You must be sharp as a tack. From what you've said I'm wondering if you might be assigned to the Flight Surgeon's Clinic? That was called 90150 Aeromedical Specialist 38 years ago. That's what I did when I was stationed on a SAC base in Kansas.

    TSGT in 8 years. I trust you're planning to stay in.

    Have you ever thought about putting in for the PJ's? Or are you like many of us and long past the youth and vigor of when we were 18 and 19? PJ's were the toughest guys in the USAF back then.
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    @ OP A1C Lickey.

    First: Looking at the Pic you posted, how did you get past the entry physical without a nose?

    Second: Layers in defense sounds like the best option. Check the locks on every entryway while calling 911/cops if you are not armed. Your duty is to protect you and your girlfriend from the safe position you already occupy.

    Third: In the situation you described, and unless you clearly see a situation where you absolutely need to interfere with to save a person's life (not property = can be replaced), refer to the Second statement, above.

    Every situation is different.

    Remember, LEO get paid to investigate such situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A1C Lickey View Post
    My biggest regret is (other then not being armed) is not checking out behind the building. If I had just gone and even looked around the corner I would have seen the body and there may have been a possibility that I could have done something for him.

    A1C Lickey
    Good you realized what it was and reacted and prepared. Yep, that would be the only bad part of it..... the "what if". But then, if you went to help and the person was still there without you realizing it , you also could have been a victim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    @ OP A1C Lickey.

    First: Looking at the Pic you posted, how did you get past the entry physical without a nose?

    Second: Layers in defense sounds like the best option. Check the locks on every entryway while calling 911/cops if you are not armed. Your duty is to protect you and your girlfriend from the safe position you already occupy.

    Third: In the situation you described, and unless you clearly see a situation where you absolutely need to interfere with to save a person's life (not property = can be replaced), refer to the Second statement, above.

    Every situation is different.

    Remember, LEO get paid to investigate such situations.
    What can I say, they wanted me just that much. Actually, that picture was taken after my second spinal fusion. I had just gotten off my convalescent leave and was still a little under the weather. I sat down behind one of my troops to give him some advice with IMDS and apparently passed out. One of my other troops walked in and saw it, and made the mask with some spare foam. At that point they figured they might as well take pictures, and then post those pictures up around the squadron.

    But back on topic, that apartment definitely wasn't very secure at all, the shooter was directly below us. In hind sight I don't know how he didn't see me when I got up out of bed. We did get out of that apartment as soon as we could. And I'm currently looking for ways to make the house we'll be moving back into more secure.

    And NoName, thank you. But I'm a 2W1, Aircraft Armaments. I was planning on staying in, unfortunately due to circumstances beyond my control it looks like I won't be. And I'm a bit past my chance to become a PJ; I did try to become a Aerial Gunner at one point but my medical clearance got "misplaced". Oh well, it is what it is.
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