Florida Concealed Carry Course?

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    Florida Concealed Carry Course?

    Though I am an NRA Instructor, I have been approached by the owner of a new gun shop inquiring about conducting CWP courses in conjunction with his new store.

    The catch is that he wants the course to lean more towards the legalities of carrying concealed rather than the basics of firearms handling. The class he took a couple years back was done this way...and so that's what he knows.

    His concern is that the First Steps course will be too long for his purposes (committing the floor space for the class)...and that we won't be able to cover the ins and outs of carrying in Florida as well as walk to attendees through the requisite paperwork.

    This is what I've been able to find regarding accepted training in the Florida Statutes...

    (h) Demonstrates competence with a firearm by any one of the following:

    1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;

    2. Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;

    3. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;

    4. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;

    5. Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or military service;

    6. Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or a county or municipality of this state, unless such license has been revoked for cause; or

    7. Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor;
    So you guys that are also NRA trainers know that we cannot conduct a firearms training class unless it is an NRA certified class...UNLESS we use a disclaimer stating what we are teaching is not authorized by the NRA. (I forget the specific nomenclature at this moment...it's after midnight ) I cannot teach a course that is not based upon the NRA's curriculum while representing myself as an NRA Instructor...clear as mud right???

    So my questions is this...how does one get certified by the state to teach a non-NRA certified course? I can't seem to find a lick of information online as to how you would go about this...yet there are TONS of CWP classes being conducted around the state...that are NOT NRA certified...

    Am I missing something here???
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    Be VERY careful about teaching law in such a course, unless you also happen to be a lawyer. SOOOO many ways that can come back to haunt you, otherwise. Even if you're a LEO, teaching others law can be a sticky thing. Big difference in "law enforcement" and "law interpretation". And becoming a test case would probably be a bit inconvenient.

    If you're still wanting to do this, get REAL familiar with Chapter 776 of the FL Statutes. Gutmacher's book on FL gun laws should be a must as well. If you've got any lawyer buddies, get real chummy with them.

    But I'm a nobody...just saying how I'd CYA if I were in a similar situation.

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    I would go with the class and having them read Gutmacher's book. Or you can sell the book in conjunction with the class. That way you do not stray from the NRA standards and you give the student more than the basics. It will be the Student's responsibility to read it and comprehend what he/she is getting into but you provide the tools.
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    Ever been to a gun show class?
    They teach a two hour class that really has nothing to do with First Steps Pistol, and the Instructors are all NRA Instructors.
    They go by the principal of churn and burn commercialism.
    While this is a worst case example, it is never-the-less a reality of business.
    And while we think of ourselves as "teachers"....teaching people to shoot is - a business.

    I would suggest that you come to a comfortable compromise with the store owner, and streamline your class to meet the time frame....or.....rent his classroom and teach it your way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSI Instructor View Post
    Ever been to a gun show class?
    They teach a two hour class that really has nothing to do with First Steps Pistol, and the Instructors are all NRA Instructors.
    They go by the principal of churn and burn commercialism.
    While this is a worst case example, it is never-the-less a reality of business.
    And while we think of ourselves as "teachers"....teaching people to shoot is - a business.

    I would suggest that you come to a comfortable compromise with the store owner, and streamline your class to meet the time frame....or.....rent his classroom and teach it your way!
    Never been to a gun show class...I've had my permit since 1993...long before they started doing the classes at gun shows around here.

    So...basically...I can teach a class...even if it's NOT the official NRA curriculum...because I am an NRA Instructor...as long as I don't represent it as an NRA class...per NRA rules...?

    Maybe I should invest the $40 and take one of the gun show classes to see what they do.

    I took 2 CWP classes over 10 years ago. One was taught by a police firearms instructor from a local city PD...the other was taught by a former police officer from a nearby large city PD.

    The first was a 4 hour class...the second an 8 hour class...

    What's with the rush? Folks are getting a permit to allow them to carry a firearm for self defense...is saving an hour and a half that important?

    I mean...seriously...I want as much info as I can get for my money..you know...the most bang for the buck! ;)
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    Any more thoughts or info for me?

    The gunshop owner is getting antsy or me to start classes.
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