Got accepted for LFI 1

Got accepted for LFI 1

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    Got accepted for LFI 1

    I'm going to take 2 HK P2K's with LEM. I'm going to spend the time getting used to the trigger. Actually one of the fellows on the HK website gave me advice that really works and I'm going to refine it.
    I got my prep package from Dorothy Ayoob and it includes a copy of In the Gravest Extreme. This is probably the 25th or so copy I've had of this book as I buy one for friends who are going to go through CCW courses.


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    Congratulations on the course... be sure to post a review of it will ya?
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    I took LFI-1 last year and it was excellent. If only there'd been an LFI-2 in my neck of the woods this year...

    Take very good notes. Pick Ayoob's brain. Buy him a Rolling Rock at dinner after class. And here's hoping you walk away from the class with a crisp $1 bill in your pocket.
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    Where are you taking it and when? I'd love to read a review as well- we faxed in our applications this morning for a fall class.
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    Having taken it already, I'd be happy to provide some info. What sort of questions do you have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzaerexys View Post
    Having taken it already, I'd be happy to provide some info. What sort of questions do you have?
    A general overview of the course would be great. Things you particularly liked/ disliked. Anything you wish had been covered in greater detail.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chickdiver View Post
    A general overview of the course would be great. Things you particularly liked/ disliked. Anything you wish had been covered in greater detail.

    Thanks!

    Heather
    Yes please,

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzaerexys View Post
    Having taken it already, I'd be happy to provide some info. What sort of questions do you have?
    Another question I'd add to the list (since I'm scheduled for the class too) is this: Does Massad Ayoob teach all the classes himself, or does he have other instructors working for/with him?

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    Benthic, Ayoob does teach the classes; however, one of the other LFI-1 instructors covered the first day of my class because Mas was held over in a trial at which he was testifying on behalf of the defendant (LEO facing an assault and excessive force charge). So, there can always be hiccups, but the LFI schedule is set so that Ayoob can teach the courses himself. He does bring a couple of other folks along, plus using RSOs from the hosting club, to keep things managable both in th classroom and on the range.

    The class is about 50/50 lecture/range. The lecture portion does some basic gun safety and range rules the first day but is primarily about the legal aspects of lethal force in self defense. This is where you need to take really good notes, because this is the stuff that you will want to go back over later. The first day of class they will tell you how to use your notes as evidence on your behalf should you ever be tried in a self-defense situation. Pay attention to that, definitely. It is more stuff than is covered by Gravest Extreme, definitely.

    The range time should not be considered a combat or tactics course. It is based on Ayoob's StressFire techniques (and you should read StressFire Pistol before the class if possible so you know what is going to be taught), and it focused around learning how to handle a gun in high-stress situations. Ayoob will cover, during the classroom part, body alarm reaction ("fight or flight") and the physiology of stress, and the techniques on the range are based around that.

    I think the best thing Ayoob does is that he can exlpain why he teaches things (class and range) a certain way. He is also open to good discussion and he doesn't try to force his views down your throat, but you can be assured he has thought through what he teaches.

    I think it was a fantastic course and once you take it you will look at a lot of the "shoot or not" threads on this board with a much more critical eye. I think it the course covered the topics very well, and I really didn't feel like it shorted anything. Again, the range time is not a combat class, so don't expect that going in. The thing that I liked most about the class was, without a doubt, Mas Ayoob. He is knowledgable, gracious (despite a somewhat, ah, salty sense of humor at times ), and very obviously interested in doing what he does.

    If you are lucky, you will also end up with a crisp, new, one dollar bill signed by Mas Ayoob, like I have. He gives out one of those to anybody who ties his score on the range qualifier.

    For those of you signed up for the course, PM me after you have taken it and I will be happy to give you access to the notes I took. Ayoob encourages each class to share notes with each other so that every student can compile the most comprehensive set possible, and I will be happy to help contribute to what you get out of the class.
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    kazzaerexys-

    Thanks. This sounds like exactly what B. and I were looking for.

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    Kaz,

    Yes, thanks very much! We'll be looking forward to the course! I have already read In The Gravest Extreme. Looks like I'll need to pick up a copy of Stress Fire as well.

    Brian

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    Glad to help. Maybe one of you fine folks will end up in an LFI-2 course with me next year!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzaerexys View Post
    Glad to help. Maybe one of you fine folks will end up in an LFI-2 course with me next year!
    Well if you attend the one in Florida...

    Brian

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    I am really looking forward to it. I've been a fan of mas for a long time. Ed Stock of Gunsite and I served together for 6 years in the 19th SH Group and I'd like to see him again also.
    So Phx is where I'll be in Oct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzaerexys View Post
    Buy him (Mas) a Rolling Rock at dinner after class. And here's hoping you walk away from the class with a crisp $1 bill in your pocket.
    He musta gotten cheap in his old age. As I recall, it used mean a five spot if you matched the score of his class demo target.

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