How Much Training Have You Had?
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June 16th, 2008 09:23 AM
Just finished my first official training the first weekend of this month. Perroni Tactical Training Academy, 2-day Advanced Handgun Course I, by Mr. Tom Perroni. Excellent class; wrote up an AAR for it but haven't got around to posting it here yet. This fall I have another handgun course lined up at S2 Institute with Tim O'Rourke.
Rifle... might be a while. Apparently books and tuition cost money.
June 16th, 2008 02:34 PM
Well, my father was a former MP who taught me how to shoot pistols, rifles, and shotguns all through my childhood.
Formal training began with hunter safety course which involved some firearms specifics at age 12.
8 hrs of classroom on VA laws and restrictions of CHP
Handgun 1, 3 hrs classroom, 5 hrs range
Handgun 2, 8 hrs range
Handgun adv, 24 hrs range, 8 hrs lowlight
30+ years of hunting and shooting.
More classes when funds permit, until then, keep practicing, reading, and home training.
"fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." [Warren v. District of Columbia,(D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)]
If I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand
June 16th, 2008 06:01 PM
Not enough bandwidth here to list the formal training I've been given in firearms, edged weapons, sticks, H2h, UC work/raids/operations, counter-terrorism, surveillance, executive protection since 1969.
39 years of training with professionals in all manner of disciplines, the list grows longer every year.
The mind is the limiting factor
Quick Kill Rifle and Pistol Instructor
June 16th, 2008 06:31 PM
I've spent a few years in the Marine Corps, been a LEO and was an assistant range instructor while there. I've shot more ammo than I can count but as far as training, I'm serious when I say not enough.
I have 4 day class scheduled toward the end of this year and am already trying to plan for more. Practice is getting harder to make happen with gas and ammo prices climbing and good instruction is expensive too.
Still, I can't seem to ever feel like I've had enough.
ALWAYS carry! - NEVER tell!
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judgement to keep himself out of situations that would require a display of his
June 16th, 2008 06:38 PM
4HRS basic handgun
8hrs close range
8hrs room clearing & sweeping
16hrs partner and cover
10hrs advanced tactical (running in heat)
4hrs arm & disarm tactics
been hunting all my life
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
June 16th, 2008 06:59 PM
Still, I can't seem to ever feel like I've had enough
It's a good attitude to maintain throughout your life for everyone.
You can always learn more from others, but you have to make time and the funds available to get further down that road of knowledge and skills sets.
The mind is the limiting factor
Quick Kill Rifle and Pistol Instructor
June 16th, 2008 11:16 PM
2 NRA courses (nothing to do with concealed or open carry, just good for safety training)
18 years with LE qualification training (a joke at best)
Jim Crews - 3 day (28 hrs) defensive handgun course
Randy Cain - 3 day (24 hrs) Tactical Handgun 101
Gabe Suarez - 2 day Intro to Gunfighting
Gabe Suarez - 2 day Close Range Gunfighting I
Numerous 1 day clinics in defensive handgun tactics
Nowhere near enough training to date.
June 17th, 2008 09:06 AM
My gun affair started in USMC Security Forces School when I was 17. In the fleet I went to Marine Corps Marksmanship Instructor School and did a stint at Stone Bay (Lejeune) range.
In civilian life;
Police Training Commission Firearms Instructor Course
Glock Armorer and Instructor workshop
Instinctive Point Shooting Instructor
Streamlight Low Light Instructor Course
Strategies of Low Light Engagements Instructor Course
Active Shooter Operations Instructor
Force on Force Simunition Instructor
Tactical Handgun Instructor
Numerous other firearms related courses through Blackwater, Team One, H&K, Sig etc.
I'm lucky that in my job as Supervising FI for my agency they send me all over for training, so I usually attend instructor level courses. In return I bring it home and conduct annual live fire training for the department. I am not a SWAT guy but I make it a point to operate at and above their level. My goal throughout my career has been to bring SWAT tactics to the street Officer.
As a sidenote, it's funny to note that of the 8 FI's that I have with me, only two of us have any form of advanced training or career development in firearms instruction. Then they wonder why they don't get "instructor" time at annual training and quals.
Of all the hours I have spent training the most beneficial and highly recommended course that I have attended are Paul Castle's Center Axis Relock, Mike Rayburns Instinctive Point Shooting Instructor and Ken Goods lowlight course. I highly recommend to all.
CAR opened my eyes to the fact that there is so much more to gunhandling and recoil control. It was the gateway to adapting different techniques and styles into my own platform.
Instinctive Point Shooting learned me point shooting and I use it to this day. This is a lethal style of shooting when done properly and should be in everyones toolbox.
Ken Good. Enough said. This is where you go to learn to operate at night and in low light. Many can teach their variation but Strategos has the best low light training. EVER.
On my wish list is some training with Gabe Suarez.
Train Real - Stay Safe
Last edited by semperfi.45; June 17th, 2008 at 12:37 PM.
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June 17th, 2008 09:35 AM
Black belt in two forms of “the arts”
Being raised by Hillbillies, I was given my first 22-rifle when I was 8 years old, and a box of 500 rounds of ammo every month, to practice in the backyard. By the time, I was fifteen I could drive nails at 100 yards.
When I as sixteen, I was given a 22 western style pistol, and learned to quick draw and shoot milk jugs at 15 yards in under ½ second.
Army ROTC basic training
Army sniper school
Worked for Sheriffs department as an auxiliary officer for 8 years; numerous class in pistol, shotgun and H2H.
Worked for Fed’s for over 10 years… Numerous classes in pistol 10.15.25 yards and sniper rifles drills at 100 yards.
I visit the police range monthly and shoot about 200 rounds of 9mm, in all kinds of drills.
Next month I’m touring a new range, that’s being build, and I’m going to sign up for all kinds of advanced pistol classes.
As other have said, it’s not what training you’ve had but what have you done lately, that really matters.
June 18th, 2008 12:16 AM
100 or so hours pistol, rifle, and shotgun. As well as law class.
If you don't protect your self, who will?
June 18th, 2008 12:35 AM
Not enough. I agree with SIXTO most of what I have learned has been through teaching. This has been true in martial arts as well as firearms.
June 20th, 2008 02:59 PM
"Not enough" should be everyone's answer.
June 21st, 2008 05:58 AM
I'm going from memory here, so my numbers might be off a bit, but it's pretty close.
CA POST level three reserve officer training-64 hours
CA POST level two reserve officer training-40 hours
CA POST Modular Basic Academy-40 hours
HALO firearms training center-8 hours
CA armed guard qualification 4 hours
Not enough. And nothing since I've been in Oregon, which is coming up on 4 years. Gonna try to make it to Oregon Firearms Academy soon.
"Water can flow, or it can crash. Be like water, my friend."-Bruce Lee
"Luck, often enough, will save a man if his courage does hold."
June 21st, 2008 10:09 AM
Besides my HCP permit course 8 hours
Basic Handgun course 8 hours
Intermediate Handgun course 8 hours
Defensive Pistol 1 course 16 hours (second 8 hours tomorrow) this course is with LMS Defense.
Its always a great day, if you don't believe me try missing one.
NRA, TFA, IDPA, 3 Gun
June 21st, 2008 11:06 PM
I had a two day course for my Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) involving study, lessons and a written/practical test with deactivated firearms.
I did a 2 day course for my “black Badge” which is a requirement for IPSC u here. Basically a holster use course and a test on the IPSC rules
I spend about 4 hrs every month taking a “Skills & Drills” class focusing on basic pistol technique, aiming, grip, holster, reloading , etc based on IPSC. Generally about 250rds each night
I have taken 2 nights of Advanced Pistol Craft based the tactical use of pistols in a firefight, focus on tactics, use of cover, assessment, etc. About 350rds each night
Plus I shoot for about 3-4 hrs every weekend.
I wish I could do more but the bullet budget is getting strained and the more advanced classes are at a range over 1 hr away.
I also had army training on pistols (BHP’s) but I managed to learn how to properly shoot despite that training.
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