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June 19th, 2008 01:33 PM
I hired a trainer to give my wife and daughter shooting lessons. In his instruction on posture and stance, he told them that their elbows should be locked. My training was always for "fully extended but not locked." What's the wisdom here?
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June 19th, 2008 01:40 PM
That depends. When I fire rapidly (double taps, mozambique drill) locked works better for me since it sends the recoil absorption duties to my core, which is of course stronger than my arms. But if I'm running around at low ready... or need to make a very carefully aimed shot... then I prefer extended but no where near locked.
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June 19th, 2008 01:46 PM
Never locked and sometimes not fully extended
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June 19th, 2008 01:46 PM
My strong or shooting arm has elbow locked one or two handed and especially if I'm firing one handed. My support or weak hand arm elbow is not locked but fully extended for two hand shooting if that makes any sense.
June 19th, 2008 01:57 PM
It depends what i'm doing I think the arms extended both elbows locked will be more able to learn and repeat sight alignment and control but if i'm shooting defensively gun hand extended not locked support hand elbow not locked and may be held against torso for support
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June 19th, 2008 02:10 PM
First off, I've gotta give you enormous credit for hiring someone to teach them to shoot rather than doing it yourself! It doesn't always work out very well if we try to teach our SO's something no matter how good we are at it! Ask me how it worked out for me trying to teach my wife to golf..........
Disclaimer.....I am not a professional instructor by any means.....just a guy who's been shooting a long time and can make the hole appear close to where he wants it to. It won't hurt my feelings at all for the pros out there to tell me that I'm full of beans!
I shoot without my arms locked.....sort of a modified Weaver stance, but I initially teach new shooters to shoot with their arms locked.......the arms form an isosceles triangle and allows for a very natural point of aim. The locked arms also seem to help prevent limp-wristed failures with autos and helps control recoil. For me, these seem to combine to give the newer shooter a positive experience and allows them to become comfortable with shooting and to get used to actually hitting a target before moving on to other techniques. Additionally, for someone only interested in learning enough to be able to use a gun in a defensive scenario, it teaches a form of instinctive point shooting that won't break down in a stressful situation and provides plenty of inherent accuracy at self-defense distances.
June 19th, 2008 02:28 PM
Originally Posted by David in FL
I feel safer when my wife has a gun than when she pulls out her driver.
June 19th, 2008 03:49 PM
I go both ways.........depends on what sidearm I'm shooting.
I never locked my elbows or fully extended my arms prior to owning a Glock. I could NOT square-away my groups with my 'new' G23 until my LEO/SWAT team neighbor 'strightened' me out......locked and fully extended right arm. I then began punching the 10 ring outta every target.
When I try that posture with my duty sidearm (M9) you'd think I was shooting at houseflies.
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June 19th, 2008 05:37 PM
Arms fully out, but elbows not locked...
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June 19th, 2008 05:47 PM
Arms fully extended, but not locked. Rationale (as explained to me) is that if you have a new threat emerge from a sharper angle, you can respond easier and faster with unlocked elbows. Seems to work for me in IDPA (thankfully, I haven't needed to draw in public since 1992). I've seen fellow competitors with locked elbows take more time and have more gun movement .
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June 19th, 2008 06:22 PM
Isosceles stance with locked arms.
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June 20th, 2008 07:40 AM
As always situation dictates, when I pull the trigger elbows are (almost always) locked.
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June 20th, 2008 02:35 PM
Couldn't vote for one or the other. There should be no set rule of how you shoot two handed, but instead one would be better advised to use whichever skills set works best for the situation at hand.
Most of the combative training should be shot one handed out to 15 feet anyway, and the two handed skills used past that approximate range.
Iso is good, mod iso is good, weaver is good, so it's situational. I train for elbows locked in Iso [ a precision shot ], elbows bent for fast and furious work on multiples and can move from either into Weaver and back into them without redirecting my feet as targets present themselves.
If you are using one almost exclusively, you're training to solve any problem with one skills set all the time, and that will lead you down a narrow path which may not always be the best solution at the moment of truth.
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June 20th, 2008 07:36 PM
I really could not vote in the poll the way it was set up either.
To answer your one question...."What's the wisdom here?"
The wisdom would be to hire a more reality based and versatile trainer.
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June 20th, 2008 09:05 PM
I picked the second option. I like the Weaver stance as it feels natural to me and I shoot best when I am in a Weaver stance.
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