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    Instructor was wearing a vest

    I was taking a beginning Defensive Pistol class a few weeks ago. There were about 12 people in the class. The instructor, a police officer, was wearing a Kevlar vest. I figured it was part of his normal attire and really didn't give it much thought.

    Toward the end of the class, he and I were talking about it. He said he always wears his vest until he is confident in the student's ability to adhere to all the basic tenets of firearm safety. Since he is generally down range of the students while he is instructing, he just doesn't want to be shot accidentally.
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    Sounds pretty reasonable. If you want to see some excrutiatingly dangerous gun handling, just hang out at a gun shop for half an hour. I don't know how the store owners have such patience with some of these guys.
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    If I was a firearms instructor these days - I'd wear one also. Smart man.

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    I always wear the Second Chance on-duty (of course) and when I'm teaching or around other people shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bando View Post
    Sounds pretty reasonable. If you want to see some excrutiatingly dangerous gun handling, just hang out at a gun shop for half an hour. I don't know how the store owners have such patience with some of these guys.
    You are spot on with that observation. But I have also seen the people behind the counter doing some bad stuff as well as the customers.
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    Very common, and very reasonable.
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    I took a class last week and wish I had a vest and a whole bunker. Heck, I must have been covered ten times.... The guy beside me had a magnetic trigger - kept drawing his finger into the guard.

    The class was good, but NO WAY will i take another class with those instructors. I believe they need to force the discipline on the class, not just say that it's safe enough.

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    Why would he be down range of his students at any time when they have access to a weapon?
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    Anytime anyone is downrange have all students away from weapons and all weapons cased or racked with actions open, mags out.

    He should re-evaluate his teaching methodology. If he can't maintain a safe range for himself or has so little confidence in his ability to do so, what about the students? I doubt I'd take any of his classes.

    +1 on stricter discipline.

    I have this opinion b/c I work at a public shooting range and we process sometimes over 100 shooters/6 hr day and have never had a firearm injury (knock on wood).

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    I don't blame him....When in the Military...Our Platoon went to the range to test some Grenades...One of the guys panicked after pulling the pin and wouldn't throw the grenade...some guys were able to remove it from his hand and throw it down range prior to it exploding..You just never know what people can or cannot do...
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    when we qualify we are required to wear our vest most police dept. have that policy and thats probly one reason also.

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    If you ever use the S&W gun range, all their ROs are wearing vests.

    Our police academies require all officers on the range to wear vests while qualifying. Ricochets are common and they don't want anyone getting hurt.

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    Darn good idea!
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    I would if I was running a range or school. I was talking with an RSO at a local range a few months back...he had been hit THREE times in the last year alone! Funny thing was ...the dummy was still working there. One would think that if you don't get it the first time one would get the hint by at least the second...

    Granted all of them were either a graze or richochet, but still...
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    Quote Originally Posted by IfIhaveto View Post
    I don't blame him....When in the Military...Our Platoon went to the range to test some Grenades...One of the guys panicked after pulling the pin and wouldn't throw the grenade...some guys were able to remove it from his hand and throw it down range prior to it exploding..You just never know what people can or cannot do...
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