Practicing Force on force..

Practicing Force on force..

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    Practicing Force on force..

    With the availibility of excellent Airsoft copiies of most CC weapons, Is anyone using these for regular Force on Force training. I know that personally myself & a group of friends that meet at the range every week have started to include full blown force on force training using Airsoft & rubber Knives batons & such. We normally include this in our standard weekly range time as the range allows us to use one of the spare bays or the tactical side of the range.

    This type of practice has sure opened a few eyes to how fast stuff can happen. & alot of CC people have had letters sent home with them informing there wife they are dead.....

    What is really nice is a few of us have worked either as LEO or as Exec. BodyGaurds & ex military so we are able to keep our skills honed & practice newly learned ones without the expense of Simunition.

    Lets see what the rest of ya think.

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    Sounds like good training to me

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    I'd be more than willing to get into FoF. If I could get something going locally, that would be a great way to try out different tactics and scenarios...
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    What'll really make you think differently is instead of rubber knives, use magic markers. You'd be amazed how fast someone can put five slashes on you.

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    Euc,
    I think I will be buying some Sharpies while I am at Wally world getting my WWB before the weekend, I like this Idea Thanks

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    To be clear it won't teach you any sort of weapon technique, but it really makes it clear how quick and deadly a knife is.

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    My self, and two of my buddys have started doing some tactical IDPA type shooting, on are own.

    It just so happens this Sat. we are all taking a non gun related defense class. After that we may just very well include force on force type exercises.
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    Sounds like a great idea, OldDawg
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    Get a copy of Gabe Suarez' book on Force on Force Gunfight Training. It is a "how to" book on FOF with airsoft.

    FOF is a very good idea; it's very sobering to watch all your trickie-slickie techniques fall apart when you are being attacked by your target and you've had to wait until your target decided to attack.
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    yep, reaction for attack is slow. Even with training , it is hard to overcome an attack without some injury.
    I practice some force on force as well. We even do some senario with use of cover /concealment. Amazing how fast you can get hit.

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    I did my first simunitions force on force training at the Snubby Summitt a few months ago with Southnarc. The cool thing about the simmunitions is that you can use your own gun, your own gear, etc. Perfect for training with a revolver.

    It sure does change your thinking about what a gunfight might be like.
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    A few of us at work were considering buying Airsoft copies of our SIGs...we were interested in working on skills in our own time, and Airsoft seemed more feasible than sim rounds and the like. We considered some force-on-force and scenario stuff, for which they'd be ideal, but mostly, I'd like to practice instinctive shooting, fiiring from the bent elbow, etc...stuff from the 3-7 yd range. I was figuring this would be an easy way to practice in the house, garage, or backyard, with paper cutout targets or whatever.

    Do airsofts keep relatively consistent ballistics inside 7 yds? How do the triggers operate...like a normal DA/SA pistol? Do they feel at all realistic? (We're looking at gas pistols, obviously, not the spring models...)

    And do they generally fit in the holsters designed for the real weapons? I just got a nice new horsehide rig, and would want to be able to practice with it...

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    AgentX,

    To answer your questions on the airsofts,
    The expensive copies are extremely realistic, fit & finish & wt. in the case of the ones I have seen are exact. to the original,
    The good copies will cost in the hundreds, but they are very worth it & will shoot to point of aim within 21 feet.

    I really like my 1911 copy as it is an exact copy of my carry firearm.
    & it fits in every holster that i own for it.

    My Airsoft is a Western Arms , Wilson Combat fullsize copy, I think it cost me a couple hundred when I ordered it.
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    I play a lot of paintball in mock urban settings. Not sure how much it carries over to my concealed carry weapon and real life application, but it allows you to think more realistically about being shot at and proper use of cover. Plus its fun as hell!
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