Carry Weapon Stance?

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View Poll Results: What stance do you use for your main carry weapon?

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  • Weaver Stance

    63 34.24%
  • Isosceles Stance

    45 24.46%
  • Combination of the two

    47 25.54%
  • Neither of the two/Self-created Stance

    18 9.78%
  • I'm not sure

    11 5.98%
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    Voted Weaver stance.
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    I would have to say the Chapman which is the weaver with the gun arm straight
    and the support hand slightly bent

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    Weaver stance.
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    I learned what was called the modified weaver, what was just described above as the chapman stance. When I got out of being a LEO in '97 they were just starting to teach us to use the iso since that gives better coverage with a vest.

    Personally I prefer the chapman because it is a more stable shooting platform and it gives you (or at least me) the ability to "shoot and scoot" and retain balance.
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    Aggressive Isosceles.

    Like this guy:

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    I voted Neither of the Two. However, for target shooting, I use the modified isosceles. In a tactical situation the chances of being in a particular stance is slim to none. JMHO
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    Making ammo.
    9mm is the only one I can get away with iso. Everything else (10mm, 45 Auto, 50AE) is weaver.
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    learned weaver from my dad, shot that way for 20 years

    in LE training we were taught and aggressive iso stance and a new grip (took me a couple of days to get used to it during firearms training), but once I got used to it I could see it was more stable than the weaver I had been using, had more control of the weapon and I shot a lot better
    we also use iso due to the fact that most of our body armor is toward the subject, and don't have the shoulder/armpits exposed for rounds to enter and cross the vital zone
    here is what our instructors were trained on and what we were taught:
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    I'd describe my stance as hidari-hanmi. Left foot forward, center toward Uke. So I guess it's a combination of the traditional stances.

    I haven't had much training in pistol stances, it just seemed to work for me.
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    None of the above.

    I like a few others noted prior use when two handed shooting is appropriate and situation available the 'Modern Isosceles' method of handgun shooting, which is not a "stance" at all.

    It is though a mode of handling a handgun toward application be [the individual] static or on the move forward, reverse, or lateral.
    Similar to the images shown above by Matiki which is Modern Isosceles and he termed "Aggressive Isosceles", only grossly exaggerated by the person as depicted, I have several more normal and common imagery at different angles of view toward the same method of handgun handling be the person standing or on the move...

    Source - CQB Services: 'The Iron Hand of War'

    Julie Goloski and Doug Koenig

    Source - Smith & Wesson

    Source - 'The Combat Draw Stroke. A life-saving skill you must master.'

    Along with video...

    Jim Zubiena in SLOW MOTION

    Rob Leatham

    Concealed Carry Tactical "Shooting on the Move"

    Blackhawk Tips with Todd Jarrett: Shooting on the Move

    United States Shooting Academy

    And as described in detail as contrast against the Weaver and Chapman methods below;

    The Ever So Modern Isosceles - Brief Article
    American Handgunner , Jan, 2000 by Dave Anderson
    "...the modern isosceles takes the hands and arms out of the equation. The arms and hands don't pull or push, they simply hold the gun. Because the arm muscles are not rigidly locked the trigger finger can operate with greater speed and precision."

    American Handgunner , Nov, 2000 by Ron Avery
    "The Weaver stance is -- don't be shocked -- obsolete. none of the top competitive shooters use it and police departments no longer train with Cooper's outmoded technique..."

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    Wow Janq. You don't mess around.

    I have to keep really low due to flatter than flat feet. I bounce as I walk if my knees aren't deeply bent and shooting on the move is near impossible, hence my "aggressive isosceles", which is really just another way of saying knees deeply bent and leaning forward into the target.

    Thanks for assembling all the links.
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    Additionally Matiki that pic being yourself (I didn't realize this prior) shows _additional benefit_ for a person in your individual physical condition situation toward getting 'small' whilst using the Modern Isosceles method.
    It's generally tough to hit a target at all muchless a small (not tall nor wide) target, even if it might be static. Especially if said smaller than tall and static target is firing/returning fire at you with purpose and accuracy (!).

    Exceptions of course are children and school shooters in specific who have an uncanny and remarkable knack for pulling off head shots even out to 10 yard distances (!). Able to do multiples of times in shot to shot succession against static and even moving victims all the while using most any caliber handgun with little to no prior training. :|

    Anyway I wanted to not just report but show and educate as well so that others in this thread posting or reading might see or learn something new to them outside their own individual amount of training degree.

    - Janq
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    I voted Weaver, but I shoot more of a Modified form or more that of the "Tactical" stance mentioned earlier. I lower my stance quite a bit more than the normal Weaver. Almost like a boxer type stance bladed off but with a handgun. It's more comfortable for me, allows me to move easier, and makes my shooting more accurate.
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