Instructor Needs Ideas For a Specialized Case....

This is a discussion on Instructor Needs Ideas For a Specialized Case.... within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by Miggy Ex, why not 2 revolvers? Both with Crimson Trace. One a snubby and one a 4 inch. Check out the Ruger ...

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    Exclamation Great Idea! +1

    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy View Post
    Ex, why not 2 revolvers? Both with Crimson Trace. One a snubby and one a 4 inch. Check out the Ruger LCR
    Now that is a good idea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy View Post
    Ex, why not 2 revolvers? Both with Crimson Trace. One a snubby and one a 4 inch. Check out the Ruger LCR
    Why not cut out the middleman so to speak and go with a 3" GP100 for the big gun and a 2 1/4" SP101 for the second. Then keep the Ladysmith as a third gun. I myself carry three guns when I'm carrying a revolver as a main gun.

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    If he has 2 revolvers, he has 11 shots available. Get him to train and access the snubby first, I see close up-bad breath distances as his biggest threat. For longer shots, he can have more time to get the 4 inch out and use it.
    Do get both revolvers with trigger jobs and Wolf springs for easier trigger pull.
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    Unhappy $$$$ are an issue...

    Quote Originally Posted by BikerRN View Post
    Why not cut out the middleman so to speak and go with a 3" GP100 for the big gun and a 2 1/4" SP101 for the second. Then keep the Ladysmith as a third gun. I myself carry three guns when I'm carrying a revolver as a main gun. Biker
    Now remember, this is a Pastor we're talking about and he's not made of money. I also doubt that he will hit the church up for the money. It's just not his nature to do things like that. He's too busy trying to raise money to help out members of his flock with their own issues. He is such a good man I have trouble thinking of ways to describe him if you can understand that. He gulped when I told him $400 for the M642 I own. The Ruger LCR retails for $525.
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    Question Some Confusion Here...

    Okay, we have two different churches here.

    #1 the Church that was robbed. That one has the BIG $$$ congregation and they're taking my CCW course next week. About 20 of the deacons and the Pastor and some wives.

    #2 My buddy the disabled Pastor is in a smaller church of lesser means. A lot of older folks in the congregation. They've not been robbed (yet) but my buddy has been thinking like a SHEEPDOG for some time now. After conversations with me, he wants to take that step.

    It just seemed to me that I was confusing the two disparate situations and muddling them into a single scenario and it's just not that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    Okay, we have two different churches here.

    #1 the Church that was robbed. That one has the BIG $$$ congregation and they're taking my CCW course next week. About 20 of the deacons and the Pastor and some wives.

    #2 My buddy the disabled Pastor is in a smaller church of lesser means. A lot of older folks in the congregation. They've not been robbed (yet) but my buddy has been thinking like a SHEEPDOG for some time now. After conversations with me, he wants to take that step.

    It just seemed to me that I was confusing the two disparate situations and muddling them into a single scenario and it's just not that way.
    Thanks for clearing that up. I was a little confused.

    I commend your buddy for taking an initiative to protect his congregation. There seems to be a trend in robbing churches. Who knows when it will escalate into violence.

    I guess the BG's think churches are easy pickings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    Okay, we have two different churches here.

    #1 the Church that was robbed. That one has the BIG $$$ congregation and they're taking my CCW course next week. About 20 of the deacons and the Pastor and some wives.

    #2 My buddy the disabled Pastor is in a smaller church of lesser means. A lot of older folks in the congregation. They've not been robbed (yet) but my buddy has been thinking like a SHEEPDOG for some time now. After conversations with me, he wants to take that step.

    It just seemed to me that I was confusing the two disparate situations and muddling them into a single scenario and it's just not that way.
    Ex,

    My offer still stands. I'll pop for the first $20. (Tell me where to send it, and who to make it out to).

    Then, ask the big church and its pastor to fund a mission project for a brother in Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miklcolt45 View Post
    Ex,

    My offer still stands. I'll pop for the first $20. (Tell me where to send it, and who to make it out to).

    Then, ask the big church and its pastor to fund a mission project for a brother in Christ.
    Ex...... let me know also..... I'll pop the 2nd $20.00 for this pastor friend of yours (tell me also where to send it, and who to make it out to).
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    First of all, thank you for the offer to raise money for this Pastor in the purchase of a gun. I told him about that today and his eyes misted over. It was really moving. He was whispering "They don't even know me..." And I was whispering that "these fine people have a soft place in their hearts for the Man of God...." and we were both just so awestruck.

    I'm thinking THIS: What about a used Smith & Wesson M28 Highway Patrol revolver? Or possibly a USED Model 19 or 66? I used to have the Model 19 and I loved that gun. MAybe somebody can find one of these somewhere on the web and get us an idea of a price? I tried Guns America and Gun Broker (the latter is where I got the pix) but I couldn't nail down a price. Also the pix I have here are just the Model 28 and not a Model 19. Maybe even an old Model 10?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    First of all, thank you for the offer to raise money for this Pastor in the purchase of a gun. I told him about that today and his eyes misted over. It was really moving. He was whispering "They don't even know me..." And I was whispering that "these fine people have a soft place in their hearts for the Man of God...." and we were both just so awestruck.
    I have been there. Working my butt off, but the financial rewards slim.
    Someone once said, "The Lord will keep you humble, and the congregation will keep you poor." While that is not always the truth, it is very often for hardworking pastors, especially in smaller congregations.

    Let us know. We are willing to help.
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    Ex, count me in for the 3rd Jackson.

    Keep us posted.

    P.S. Finding the right handgun will be the easy part. Finding ammo might be a little trickier.
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    count me in for the 4th $20 bill, PM me so I can send it to ya

    I feel so fortunate to be a LEO and on the security team at my church, helping watch over the pastor and the flock
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    I am disabled also. First I have found that a high cap auto works better for me. I have ms and my right works when I'm having a good day. So I train as if I only have my left hand working. With the auto I have less gun manipulation (fewer reloads.) I have trained with many instructors with the Florida location I would take a class from Tiger Mcgee. He has the ability to watch you and come up with real world ways to make you a better fighter, many others can too but he's fairly close in AL. Your friend will have to train harder to be half as good as others but its worth it.He has to know his limitations and fight within them. John

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    Add me to the list, Ex.

    You might want to call Summit Gunbroker. If you tell him the situation, he'd probably work to find a deal. I don't see many trade-ins, but he currently has some confiscations posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john452 View Post
    I have trained with many instructors with the Florida location I would take a class from Tiger Mcgee. He has the ability to watch you and come up with real world ways to make you a better fighter, many others can too but he's fairly close in AL. Your friend will have to train harder to be half as good as others but its worth it.He has to know his limitations and fight within them. John
    What works in your situation doesn't translate to anybody else but you are to be congratulated on overcoming any disability!

    I'm no Clint Smith or Massad Ayoob, but I've been in the firearms instruction business 20+ years and I'm fairly well trained myself.

    My buddy is a PREACHER who really doesn't want to go anyplace else. This is a man who loses his color and his breath when I tell him the cost of a USED ROSSI 38 could go around $350. He's scrimping like crazy and has set up a special fund to buy this gun. He doesn't really know yet to the extent that others are willing to pitch in because I think it would be overwhelming for him.

    I'd rather just gather the funds and present the gun to him as a surprise. What I'd do is to take him to the lawful point of purchase and just let him fill out the 4473 while I take care of the finances. By that time, he'll have his FL ccw so he can take it with him. Then I'll get plenty of pix of him and the weapon at the range and in the church and post them here so the folks who help can see the results of their golden hearts for a man of God.

    My feeling is that based on my diagnostics performed in his office a few days ago, there is no way for him to gather the strength to work the slide on any semi. He was comfortable with the revolver. That's the key. He can cradle the piece in his nonfunctioning hand and open the cylinder and manipulate the speed loader, so that is where we are going. He already has access to a Lady Smith .38sp and that will be fine at (as another forum member said) "BAD BREATH" distances, but for anything beyond that (we're thinking of inside the church and at home) it's better to have a barrel length and a caliber that will lend themselves to accuracy for a reliable stop in the beginning rather than to have to run thru a hi-cap magazine before stopping the threat.

    That's one reason why old cops from the era of revolvers tended to be better shots because they had less room for error. The same could be said for Americans who first explored and settled the American West and holds true for huge portions of rural America today where they still hunt to put meat on the table. If one or two shots is all you've got then usually it's all you need.
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