OMG! Is this for real?

OMG! Is this for real?

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    WOW........ Has anyone else seen this? I really cant believe that the state is allowing a person to complete a online course without showing anytype of proficiency and get their CHP. I wrote this on another site as well but I cant wait to read about one of these graduates when they show up in court for a firearm related incident......

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    Jay Leno did some jokes last night by showing an ad for college classes that were available online. Jogging, Weightlifting, Yoga... ect..

    whew that made me tired just typing it "online".

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    Why should I have to submit to class or test to exercise my 2nd Amendment right?

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    What is the big deal?

    As Elk Hunter said, why should there be ANY testing or licencing requirements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elk Hunter View Post
    Why should I have to submit to class or test to exercise my 2nd Amendment right?
    +1 There is no testing in Mississippi and we don't have a problem.
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    Yikes, I don't know, I just think if you're going to get a CC permit, at the very least you ought to be able to demonstrate 1) basic knowledge of the laws and 2) some proficiency when actually shooting a gun.

    But that's just my opinion. YMMV.
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    I guess the can is open, but I wasnt refering to any kind of "testing". But a proficiency demonstration would be great.... and if your not proficient then a bit of training would be in order. I'm 2A +++ but definately dont believe that a "online" course should fufill an existing requirement. If your going to do anything then just eliminate the requirement altogether and it would create less of an issue.
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    a good shoot is a good shoot and a bad shoot is a bad one whether you've had a class and a test or not. I was around guns all my life and could carry safely without going to 8hrs of a CCW class. Anyone serious about carrying every day is going to have the profeciancy anyway, no CCW class is going to give it to them.

    You don't need a profeciancy class to go target shoot and most states don't require any testing for Open Carry. The class and test were just a feel good method to make the nervious 'law makers' look better in front of their constituents when voting for Shall Issue.
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    Tinkerin' -- no, not a class, I was just saying somehow you should be able to demo that you have basic knowledge of the laws you would be bound by to CCW, and that you should have basic proficiency in being able to shoot. I think it would help avoid any accidental/negligent discharge and other awful possibilities. But as to HOW you would do that or WHO makes the standards, I have no idea.
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    I'm not so sure this is a great idea. I don't see how this can replace hands-on training from a qualified instructor.

    In NY State, all CCW applicants are encouraged to take a 3 hour "introductory" course. I believe in some NY State counties it's mandatory.
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    The Constitution of the United States sets the standard.

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    There is nothing about if they can pass a test.

    Please do not fall into the test or proficiency trap, I will set the standard high enough so I can pass and you cannot. Give me your guns now! I trust me but not you who gets to choose?

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    Then it no longer is a "Right"....

    Quote Originally Posted by Bunny View Post
    Yikes, I don't know, I just think if you're going to get a CC permit, at the very least you ought to be able to demonstrate 1) basic knowledge of the laws and 2) some proficiency when actually shooting a gun.

    But that's just my opinion. YMMV.
    Then it no longer is a “Right” is it? What the state giveth the state can taketh away. While I highly recommend taking a class and learning as much as you can I don’t think it should be mandatory. I had a 70+ year old woman for a student once. She carries a little Beretta .22. Not much of a gun for self-defense but it is all she can handle. She passed our shooting requirement but if she hadn’t does that mean she doesn’t have a right to protect herself? I don’t think so.
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    Does it say...

    The Right to Keep and Bear Arms?

    or...

    The Right to Keep and Bear Arms, if your proficient?

    Stay armed...it's a right, proficiency has nothing to do with it...stay armed.
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    In Va you can open carry with no training at all. I am conflicted in that I think training is essential, but I do not think it should override ones ability to protect onesself, concealed or otherwise.

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    Yeah...no...

    *sigh*

    Of course, you guys are correct. But I keep thinking about those folks that killed that little boy, or the morons who have AD/ND and hurt or kill people because they're being stupid and unsafe. They get the same rights as those of us who are responsible, and...here's my take on it: Knowing YOU guys are out there, carrying, I feel safe and relieved. Knowing people like THAT are out there, carrying, is like knowing the BGs are out there, carrying. It's a bit unsettling.

    Of course, I don't claim to sit in the judgement seat, I wouldn't want that responsibility if it was offered. But it just seems like an online course is a poor barometer of whether or not someone is really prepared for the responsibility.

    Of course, then again, who's to say what "prepared" mens, exactly, or how to gauge that as well?

    Ok, I think I'm over my head here. Never mind. I think I'm only going to sound dumber and dumberer... :(


    Edit: Just to add: I'm still VERY new to all of this. Bear in mind I still can't even legally OWN let alone carry at this point, so you know, take everything I say with the fact that I'm still kind of naive please :)
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