This is a discussion on Shooting accurately while on the move within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by SwampRat Thats the step off line I am referring to. Not a sprint at 15yds away. Everything you do will be dictated ...
If someone is already right up on you, that might indicate a different approach (IMO it's less of a "gun problem" the closer the BG is) ...but even so, you still have the same problems afflicting the "stand and deliver" and "one step and fire" approaches as before. If anything, being closer worsens all those problems.
I posted a long writeup about both Close Range Gunfighting and the FOF class back when I took them. Gabe now teaches an entire class called Zero to Five Feet on this that I'd really like to take.
I'll stick with my Speed draw, Quick Kill technique. After 25 years of H2H training, I realize I'm getting a little to old to be going H2H for to long with a younger stronger opponent. Time and Distance..creating the distance to utilize the speed..if it aint over in less than 6 seconds..well, I probably am...
One side step when Bryce entered the room was not exploding off the X. By the way, you are always on the X, you are X, no matter where you are standing. X may move to a new location, but you are always on the X.
Do you know of anyone who is really going to just stand there and trade bullets with someone knowing any one of those bullets could end your life?
I don't think so. That is why I learned very early on back in my IPSC/USPSA days to shoot accurately while moving quickly. I can't speak for the rest of DC members, but when the lead flies for real, this former Master is gonna be moving real fast to cover if available, shooting all the way. I also promise you won't be able to squeeze a human hair through my you-know-what either. Being able to shoot accurately while moving is a premium skill to have in a gunfight, and I practice it regularly, even while dry-firing.
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined". - Patrick Henry
Draw speed is extremely important. The modern day gunfighters like Bryce. Askins and Jordan didn't practice their draw speed religiously for naught and lived past all of their gunfights. To ignore the past performances [ draw speed with hits ] of those who've proven on the street [ and not in some FoF scenario ] is to ignore the importance of draw speed.
Draw speed is one of those things those who don't have it, won't practice it enough to be able to use it to their advantage will denigrate this part of the equation, others who have it know there is advantage to draw speed.
In fact, even the Infidel Warlord who has posted in this thread pushes his appendix rig BECAUSE it gives them a faster draw stroke, and then turns around and writes articles denigrating draw speed as unimportant. Sorta makes me smile at all the contradictory opinions from one source.
I'm not advocating just draw speed is the end all, but it is an important factor and can't be ignored for it's importance. If we take a look at the equation, you can't defend yourself until the gun is operational, and to get it operational, we have to draw the gun. I'm not sure about anyone else, but for me, I'll take my ques from the masters who survived, not the trainers who offer FoF and expouse that exploding off the X is going to be any more relevant than a quick draw stroke getting the gun operational as soon as possible. Movement may be advantageous and it may not be something available based on your location, etc, where you would then bring the other skills like a refined draw stroke into play.
In fact, the sooner you can get the gun operational, the less distance you'll have moved before your gun barks. Once it barks, hiding behind a wall of bullets would be as advantageous or more so than continuing to run as long as you are getting your hits.
Jordan and Bryce have a lot to teach us, but they were men of truly exceptional shooting skill. For those of us who aren't at that level, I think we need to take their experiences with a grain of salt.
Draw speed is one of those things those who don't have it, won't practice it enough to be able to use it to their advantage will denigrate this part of the equation
Most people can practice their draw stroke anywhere anytime, it costs nothing but time and effort to get to "that level". Once there, one could certainly use it to their advantage like the other real world masters.
Taking anything the modern day gunfighters used to survive multiple incidents of gun play where they survived "with a grain of salt" is to ignore the importance of owning that skill.
I would submit that a performance like that is simply beyond the physical abilities of the vast majority of people. No matter how much we practice, we're not going to be able to duplicate that sort of performance. That's what I mean by truly exceptional.Originally Posted by K. B. Chaffin
We don't practice to be slower on the hits, we practice to be faster on them. Getting the gun operational starts with the draw stroke. The faster the draw the better when confronted and you have to use the firearm, and no less important and a lot more attainable incrementally than the majority of cw carriers in this country who won't be exploding off the X dynamically due to age, disabilities which prevent that movement and many more reasons.
I would submit that a performance like that is simply beyond the physical abilities of the vast majority of people
No less so where dynamically exploding out of harms way is involved for a great number of men and women who carry a pistol for self defense.