Diagnose my shooting

Diagnose my shooting

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    Diagnose my shooting

    I just got back from the range. I had a great time. 1.3 hours of range time, 50 .22 rounds, 50 .38 specials, and 2 rental guns came to a total of 46.50 USD. Anyway all of my targets had a list of the left. I was using two very different guns both of which I had no experience with. The ranges varied from 30 to 50 ft. Here are the pictures. The quality on some of the photos are poor I only had my cell at the range. BTW .380 is IMPOSSIBLE to buy/find unless you pay 55+ a box.

    Weapons used .38 Special Undercover

    22 Ruger Target pistol


    Target results .38 Special Undercover
    35 rounds COM 10 in stomach radid fire, 5 head shots


    Results .22 Ruger
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    Try this. It is helpful, IMO.
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    So then more trigger finger would help?
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    I think its more of a sight picture issue. Make sure there is equal light on both sides of the post. I used shoot a wee to the left, too. To practice, take aim at a white wall with your normal about-to-shoot grip and get a good pic on the front sight, then stop and back up the focus and see if it's really centered between the rear sight bars. Good luck.

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    Not too shabby, I've seen much worse (like not even on paper).

    One handed, two handed, stance, strong hand grip, support hand pressure, arms locked or bent, finger overlap, thumb position, breathing, caffeine consumption, mechanical sights centered and even, your sight picture and alignment, follow through etc...

    It really is an art to diagnose a shooter's problems and correct it. Find yourself a quality instructor who knows shooter and target diagnostics.



    One way to hone in is to get yourself off the big targets and onto paper dinner plates and start in at 5 yards and work your way out to distance all the while keeping shots on the plates. As you progress, use multiple plates, go for speed and accuracy and then reduce the plate size.
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    I was going to say that the trigger finger is the culprit too. If you're right handed you could be pressing the trigger at an angle on it's right edge rather than straight back. Review your technique to see if you are pulling straight back on the trigger.

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    Thanks guys I'll use smaller targets next time, and have a look at my trigger length and get with you. I'll be back to that range next week. Hopefully they will have .380 then so I can use my EDC.
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    Personally, I don't think the diagnostic targets are particularly useful. They can't watch what you're doing and thus can only tell you some of the possible problems. In many cases, they send shooters off trying to fix non-existent problems rather than addressing the actual bad habit which is causing the bad hits.

    First steps to achieving better trigger control:
    1. Make sure you are pulling the trigger properly. Clear your gun, check that it's empty, check again, and then perform the Wall Drill. Once you can press the trigger without the front sight moving out of alignment, go to the next step.
    2. Try the Ball & Dummy Drill to see if you are anticipating your shots. Once you are pulling the trigger without anticipating (no motion of the gun when you reach a dummy round), move on to the next drill.
    3. Work on marksmanship fundamentals by slowly increasing the level of difficulty, such as with the 3x5 Card Drill.
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    I did the same thing recently after shooting right on target for the last 6 weeks.
    My error was finger. not pulling straight back. what was sugestedto me..
    unload gun. check to be sure it is unloaded. then check again. aim at a clear back stop white wall. slowly pull the trigger. keep praticing that untell the sites do not move. this is dry fire pratice, it should do like as your smaller plates for when your not at the range.
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    You may want to try some of the stick-on "Shoot-N-C" targets. You can take them and stick them (they are self adhesive) on the center-mass area of your B21-E targets. Gives you a smaller area to concentrate your fire on without giving up the life-size background.
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    Looks like your range sets you up. All of that would have cost me $120+ and that's only 1 hour of range time.

    Sorry for the off topic post.

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    take a look at this Massad Ayoob article it says it all:

    How to shoot a handgun accurately by Massad Ayoob Issue #85

    here is a list of all of them:

    Index of free, online articles published in Backwood Home Magazine

    Mixing live rounds and snap caps will show you if you flinch. Dry fire helps a lot. Experiment with the location of your trigger finger. Work hard to maintain correct eye focus and sight alignment. Learn what "isomeric tension" is.

    Start at 7 yards and go slow. When you can shoot 2 inches groups all day, move to 10 yards...15...25. It takes time and practice.

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    Are you right-handed or left-handed? Those diagnostic targets listed above are great tools, but I think the ones in this thread are right-handed. If you need the left-handed ones, you can look here: http://vanguardnc.com/Links.htm

    Scroll down to "Downloads," they have lefties and righties there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutz4utwo View Post
    take a look at this Massad Ayoob article it says it all:

    How to shoot a handgun accurately by Massad Ayoob Issue #85

    here is a list of all of them:

    Index of free, online articles published in Backwood Home Magazine

    Mixing live rounds and snap caps will show you if you flinch. Dry fire helps a lot. Experiment with the location of your trigger finger. Work hard to maintain correct eye focus and sight alignment. Learn what "isomeric tension" is.

    Start at 7 yards and go slow. When you can shoot 2 inches groups all day, move to 10 yards...15...25. It takes time and practice.



    Excellent reference! I've been struggling with the same problem with 2 .38s and a .357. Thanks for the link.

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