A random thought (about the use of wml on handguns)

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    A random thought (about the use of wml on handguns)

    best posed to our resident btdt guys, instructors, gurus and gunfightin' professors.

    First, and foremost, I AM NOT AN INSTRUCTOR, nor am I a btdt guy, hell, i aint even a good shot.
    In reviewing some posts concerning the pros and cons, or validity vs hype of wml on handguns for the average Joe, and while walking thru some 'what ifs' and scenarios around my home, a thought occurred to me (doesn't happen often, so this will be my electronic history of it having happened).
    I train to use a hand held light, as well as practicing techniques accepted for wml's as my house has a Surefire in just about every room, and my dedicated house pistols have wmls. Should the power or just the lights be out of service, (happens here quite a bit, what with the hurricanes and unnamed storms and all), and should I have to directly confront an intruder or be confronted by one as the case may be, I will be using my hand held light first. Now, let's say the confrontation has ended w/ the intruder face down, either haven taken a hit, or just in compliance. This point seems to be a good time to utilize the wml. I wont be 'candeling' the intruder as now he's down but potentially not out, I want to keep my muzzle AND my light on him. I also now need to be on the phone w 911, and it will be much easier to do w/out juggling a hand held light.
    So, at this point, I'm covering said intruder w gun and wml, in one hand (shaking like crazy, I imagine), and the other hand is now free to operate the phone, cell or pots line if its still in service.
    Could this possibly be a feasible reason or arguement for the wml- the aftermath. Seems all the past discussions have centered around room clearing (aint doin it if I dont hafta), or using the wml as the primary. I like options, and having the wml as a second light seems like a good option. Having the option to keep a light and muzzle on the downed intruder, and still have a free hand for the phone seems like a good option, too.

    For all the instructors and other qualified folks: how do you teach light techniques in the given scenario? Like I said, most discussions deal w the actions up to the confrontation. What about after?

    Thank you for your time and consideration,

    dan

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    Couldn't you just set your hand held light down pointed at the intruder's fallen body?

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    Suppose you could.
    Doesn't leave you many options IF you or especially he gets 'dynamic'. If he suddenly bolts, and your light cant follow, it may be difficult to place accurate fire.

    But, your point about keeping things simple is well recieved.

    dan

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    Well it only took me about a third of the o.p. to figure out what a wml is, and i still don't know what a btdt guy is. So no help from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21bubba View Post
    Well it only took me about a third of the o.p. to figure out what a wml is, and i still don't know what a btdt guy is. So no help from me.
    wml = weapon mounted light

    btdt = been there done that

    As for your idea of a light for the aftermath, I like the way you are thinking. I personally don't have a light on any of my handguns because I use a handgun when I am looking for what caused that "bump in the night". I use a wml, and a longarm in my home if I know the "bump in the night" was made by an unauthorized source.

    Your idea of using the wml once you know you have a threat is a good one. Just make sure that you don't use the wml for unknown "possible" threats. It could just be Grandma raiding the cookie jar after getting up to go to the bathroom. Grandma doesn't like having guns pointed at her, and it does tend to strain family relations.

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    yeah, situate your light on the target while dialing and putting phone on speaker?

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    Your idea of using the wml once you know you have a threat is a good one. Just make sure that you don't use the wml for unknown "possible" threats. It could just be Grandma raiding the cookie jar after getting up to go to the bathroom. Grandma doesn't like having guns pointed at her, and it does tend to strain family relations.
    Well, my light/laser attached to the Glock pretty much determines nobody is going to see a gun pointed at them......they gonna be blinded by white light or a red dot, or both simultaneously, and if they're a friendly raider, they get to ask about it ten minutes later after they've recovered. For the un-welcomed raiders of the cookie jar, the blindness will be followed by loud bangs, and then pain, and so forth. I use my wml as primary, and only. The pistol and light are always pointed in the same direction.

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    Can we stop with the three letter acronyms?

    It's rampant in the government, somehow a MRE is better than chow.
    A bomb is now an IED. The bad guy fires a RPG.

    Let's CTC............................cut the crap. and return to English. Please.
    There, I asked nicely.

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    This is a difficult subject, everyone has their own opinion. I was always taught that when I entered a dark building at night, I had my weapon in my right hand, and my flashlight in my left. Theory was that a 'bad' guy might fire at the light. If your light was off-center of your body lessened the chance of being hit in the body. If you use a wml (weapon mounted light), you might get hit in the head or chest. I still use that philosophy today.

    However, I have been wrong in the past. I remember in 1957 I might have been wrong, but not really sure.
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    "Can we stop with the three letter acronyms?"-Guns and more

    "btdt" is Four Letters.
    Probably not. It was poor form on my part for not listing the full definition of the acronyms at least once at the first of the post. And, I addressed an apology to the poster that listed my fault. But, acronyms too readily become a way to save a few strokes while typing. Just like contractions, or worse, texting shortcuts (ie, b4, bcuz), they become part of our lingo.
    The beauty is, once you know them, they are pretty handy in forums such as this. So no, I wont stop using them, neither I bet, will most who post here. But, I will make an effort to fully define an acronym where I use one in the future.
    Deal?

    dan

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    Talking

    UncleDannie,
    glad to hear you weren't really wrong.
    Posting this was to get opinions. I dont truly believe there's a 100% right/wrong answere. Just an attempt to relay a thought that happened upon me while walking thru some things.

    dan

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    21bubba,
    aplogies, Sir.
    The acronyms I'm afraid have become too easy to type since they become rather ingrained after frequenting sights such as these. The proper etiquete (sp?) would have been to list their extended definitions, and for not doing so I apologize. Relaying my thoughts is hard enough for others to understand, I shouldn't leave anything to chance.
    I'll continue to use common acronyms (well, at least common to these sites), but will attempt to always list the full definition in the first of the post as well.

    dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdsumner View Post
    But, acronyms too readily become a way to save a few strokes while typing.
    Sorry I picked on you, but the rampant use of these things in everyday life is making me crazy.
    I'll also never get the lingo of texting either. I still text using ",'.
    Somehow, "how r u" is wrong. I guess I'm turning into my father.

    Rant over.

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    I think a WML is a good idea. The one I use sticks out from the muzzle so the weapon is not really visable to the BG in low light conditions. I know if I fire it may get dirty but Its for a house sweep not for the range.

    The light + my night sites make a really good pair. I can get a sight picture with the dots instead of point shooting and hoping for the best.
    There is something about firing 4,200 thirty millimeter rounds/min that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdsumner View Post
    21bubba,
    aplogies, Sir.
    The acronyms I'm afraid have become too easy to type since they become rather ingrained after frequenting sights such as these. The proper etiquete (sp?) would have been to list their extended definitions, and for not doing so I apologize. Relaying my thoughts is hard enough for others to understand, I shouldn't leave anything to chance.
    I'll continue to use common acronyms (well, at least common to these sites), but will attempt to always list the full definition in the first of the post as well.

    dan
    No need to apologize to me, I'm just not up on this new lingo.

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