This is a discussion on Things that draw attention....or should within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by AWDeanSr I do not think anyone is saying that there is not a criminal element looking for victims of opportunity . I ...
Coercion and reasonable subterfuge are two different things.
I'm not a lawyer or a LEO, just a pantload with a computer.
Define normal behavior. Hard to do without context, huh?
back country roads, I'm always looking for things that don't seem right. That vehicle that just turned where I did, does it look like it belongs?. is he/she driving like they know these roads like a local or seem lost and looking for something. 30 miles every night with 5-10 miles that have spotty or no cell coverage, have tuned my spidey senses.
My husband hardly ever drives and license plates NOT held on with zip ties get strange looks around here
Like everything else YMMV. Kind of a silly example but when I watch cops with my family and I say something like "he is gonna run" and he does, or make another prediction based on experience or expertise, my wife says "how did you know that", I just do.
What would look like a hand shake to many here is an obvious hand to hand drug deal to an experienced police. The information was put out for you to entertain, if you disagree or dislike it...disregard it.- George
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I do it often. My wife used to say I was hyper alert worried about nothing. As the years have passed and we have avoided conflict or were ready when it arrived she no longer says that. She responds to what I say and asks why later.
As Hotgun says have a plan to kill everyone, everyone is a threat until proven otherwise. Profiling everyone by age ethnicity, numbers, dress style, demeanor and location may not be PC but it works. The key is to see if anything is out of place, like inappropriate clothing or dress style for the season or neighborhood as an example.
Two guys coming home from the ball game are different than two thugs prowling. A cretin in a stolen car is different than a teenager in moms car. A guy with his buddy helping him get a gift for the wife is different than two thugs looking for a mark, is different than two guys selling some weed as they are different from two guys selling crack. Knowing the differences is what saves our bacon.
I wish I was a good at articulating specific "tells" as Mercop is because for me it is just a "knowing" without being able to clearly say why one guy walking down the street is a threat and another guy walking down the street isn't. Maybe that is something I need to work on learning to be able to explain the why.
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I see a older male on a scooting in the middle of December in a snowstorm, I assume he lost his license due to dwi. I could be wrong but that is what I assume.
For freedom is never free someone else just picks up tab.
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I worked "graves" for over 5 years and two guys in a car going home late at night does not have the same driving "pattern" as two guys scouting an area.
I can still spot over 95% of unmarked police cars on the road by the rhythm of thier driving. Most traffic has a rhythm to it and the unmarked police car has a "hunter" rhythm.
If you are aware you can spot them.
Woods critters can also sense when you just taking a walk or if you are hunting by your walking rhythm. this is why you see more wood critters while just walking.
It is there, (the sense) it just need to be developed. If it doesn't seem right, it's mosly likely not.
my stolen jeep was recovered because of a LEO noticed the rear license plate was Ohio and front license plate gone (this was while he was stopped at the light across from the gas station).... The dead give away was he was trying to hammer off the locked gas cap I installed to keep fuel thieves away.
I have to give props for being observant + curious enough to check out the lack of front plate thing.
Its not personal, its business. Its their job. If your not a problem than it will become evident very quickly. I may have had an expiered tag or two..but no drugs , warrents etc... and on my way...Im a big dude , shaved head, fast car ..hell , Grady just might give me a very wide berth walkin down the street ...I may look the part ...but im clean .
I don't see people getting bent out of shape, I see people countering something put down and making observations such as it should be on a site, hhhmmm, just as it should be to keep things interesting. There are always exceptions to what is stated. (facial appearance not present here). Oh well, if everyone agreed, it would be a boring work wouldn't it?
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i see people getting bent out of shape and poorly countering observations even though they probably use similar tactics of their own when watching people...its a fact of life...everybody profiles and is profiled to some extent....
i am a dressed down biker on a loud customized harley with a classic flame paint job and a manager who wears a shirt and tie...
when iam dressed down (not poser pirate wear-i'm talking worn jeans and loose shirt stuff-i didnt always wear a shirt and tie and have a lightly rough background) i dont get very many approving looks and store security seems to like to watch what i'm doing....i am just as friendly as they get either way i'm dressed and tend to greet everyone i come near with a smile and some pleasantry...
when i'm in a shirt and tie old ladies say hello to me and i own whatever store i walk into...the other day i was in a walmart and picked out an mp3 player in the locked cabinet for my wife...the sales guy took it out of the cabinet and let me walk away with it...they normally escort you to the register and until its paid for its not in your hands...when i got to the register the cashier couldnt figure out how i got the player and kept asking who gave it to me...
its the way of the world and i can tell you if i'm going to commit a crime itll be in a minivan with baby on board and soccer ball stickers dressed in a shirt and tie with shined shoes...and they probably wouldnt see it coming....
as for the rest...i spent a great deal of my youth sitting in the back of police cars because i looked like someone or might have done something wrong...my parents knew the local cops and the fact that my uncle was one was a help for me (and my parents)...i understand it and when i look back on it i dont blame them for profiling me the way they did becasue i was on the edge quite a bit...
live with it...if youre not doing anything wrong chances are it isnt going to affect you...if it does maybe itll change a habit or 2...