anyone have any input on the FRONT SIGHT PROGRAM?
This is a discussion on anyone have any input on the FRONT SIGHT PROGRAM? within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I'm about to take the four day class and was wondering if anyone has already taken it and is it really as world class as ...
January 28th, 2010 05:35 PM
anyone have any input on the FRONT SIGHT PROGRAM?
I'm about to take the four day class and was wondering if anyone has already taken it and is it really as world class as people say it is.
January 28th, 2010 05:49 PM
I don't care for Piazza, and his arrogance. I don't like his monopolizing on a persons death (video where an officer make some bad decisions and get killed, and then he goes off on how this mad didn't have to die and his training could have prevented that, and you need his training, etc). I'm more interested in a training by Mas.
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January 28th, 2010 07:19 PM
I'm interested as well. I got the package in the mail about the program but it costs quite a bit. I want to do it but I don't want to spend the money unless it is recommended
Originally Posted by G36guy
January 28th, 2010 08:08 PM
Anyone wanting to go to Frontsite, if you have not paid, you can get certificates on Ebay and other sites, for $100 or so. I used google real quick and this was one of the top sites, and less than 100. Front Sight Certificates!!!
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January 29th, 2010 01:57 AM
I'm a member.
The training is good. The instructors are by and large excellent. I have trained with another nationally known organization, and I think FS's training is just as good and the facilities are worlds better.
The basic four-day classes start off pretty slow. Don't get frustrated: They pick up quickly in the second day. If you haven't worked a lot of malfunction drills in the past, get ready to bleed!
Take warm clothes in layers. It gets cold up there in the high desert. And use sunblock, even when it's cold.
Go to the lectures. The lectures are loaded with good material.
TAKE YOUR AMMO WITH YOU. Ammo is available at the pro shop, but the prices are... a bit high.
The marketing is terrible but they don't harass you while you're at the facility. There's a sales pitch in the classroom during lunch. They don't try to make you go, no one knows or pays any attention to whether or not you go.
The certs aren't just the best way to take a class at FS, they're the best deal in firearms training by far.
If you hate Piazza, take a class on a cert. The money for the cert goes to the FS member to whom the cert was issued. Not only will you not be giving Piazza money, you'll be COSTING him money, and getting good training in the bargain. (You do have to pay FS $50 for a background check. I have to pay it as well, every year in which I take classes.)
As for the video: If you go, you'll see more of 'em. If the cop in the video had seen similar footage, he might have understood what he was facing, and been more prepared for the fight.
BTW, if you're going Feb 5 I'll be there taking a rifle class. I'll be the goofy guy in the floppy hat with the Chicom AK.
January 31st, 2010 08:46 PM
I too am a member. I attended the 4-day Defensive Handgun class on a certificate a couple years ago. I managed to talk my wife into the 2-day class while I took the 4-day Practical Rifle class on a special "blue" certificate that allowed a repeat student to attend. The "blue" certificates are quite a bit more than the "gray" certificates you can get on eBay for $100 or so. Also a search on "Front Sight certificates" and you will find some other places to purchase them.
My wife enjoyed the 2-day class so much that we joined (and got a free gun and stuff). We have since gone back and attended the 4-day hangun class together and had a great time. It helped my wife decide to get her CCW.
The class consists of classroom lectures and range work with most of the classroom work in the first 2 days. The lectures are very informative and entertaining so don't skip out on them. You can ignore the lunch time pitch while you have lunch.
My wife and I are planning to attend again in May and taking several friends with us on certificates we got for joining. It really is a good deal for the first class. It would be difficult to find better training anywhere and impossible for $100. However, to take an additional class, it will cost much more which is how they get you to consider purchasing the lifetime membership. It worked on us, anyway.
Be prepared for very long and intense days - 10 hour days jam packed with info (13 hours on the day with the night shoot). If you are experienced, don't let the first day or two frustrate you. For safety reasons, they have to deal with the lowest common denominator but they loosen up after the initial day or so. Also, they will insist you do things their way to start with. This is also for safety but does tend to irritate experienced people.
They are very well organized and I can assure you that you will have a great time.
January 31st, 2010 08:51 PM
well put,,, there are allot of training coses out there that do a better job, or check your local sheriff's office and I'm sure you can find a semi retired instructor that would love to help you train
Originally Posted by ntg
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January 31st, 2010 11:22 PM
Input on Front Sight Training??
I am not flying 3 hours out west to do this. I also am not trying to get the quantity of ammo out there in any manner. I will drive to all of my training classes that I can go to with my guns and ammo. If it is not in driving range, I will wait for one I can drive to. I have several classes coming up this year. Sorry folks but these are my choices. However go get the training you need to get wherever it is.
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February 1st, 2010 01:13 AM
Me and the wife took the 2 day defensive handgun course a couple months ago. I really enjoyed it and so did my wife. Instructors were great as were the lectures. My wife had very limited handgun experience - the instructors helped her out a bunch, and she did great.
I'd like to take the 4 day handgun course when the funds are available.
There are alot of different opinions about Piazza around - I can only say, he's training alot of people and the training I received was excellent.
February 1st, 2010 11:26 AM
Good point, hayzor. Regardless of anyone's opinion of Piazza, the greater good is that there are 300-400 people being trained almost every weekend and that is a very good thing. The 2-day handgun class far exceeds most CCW required training and the 4-day class even more so.
February 1st, 2010 03:31 PM
I was there in October 09 with my son and they had over 600 on the range for the weekend...
Training... anywhere you can get it... is good. I've been to Frontsight twice, and I'll be attending again with my son in May. Some may not like Piazza's marketing or his use of some pretty intense videos... but for me it was a reality check.
For those who have never been.. get a certificate from Ebay and see what it's all about. The 2-day and 4 day courses are not boot camps, and you're not running, jumping, leaping tall buildings in a single bound... but you are laying the groundwork for a good foundation in defensive shooting.
My wife likes to play the casinos in Vegas.... I don't. She gets to gamble while I shoot.... not a bad deal.
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