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This is a discussion on UGLY Negligent Discharge in Orlando (Merged) within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by mercop NRA Instructor Rule #1 NO LIVE AMMO IN THE CLASSROOM Another one of those "trained professional experts" with the backing (but ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercop View Post
    NRA Instructor Rule #1 NO LIVE AMMO IN THE CLASSROOM
    Another one of those "trained professional experts" with the backing (but not the supervision) of the NRA that make us all look like idiots, thanks!
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    This was not the first time something's gone wrong during a gun demonstration in Orlando. In 2004, a special agent with the Drug Enforcement Administration shot himself in the thigh with a .40-caliber Glock pistol while talking to schoolchildren about gun safety."
    OK kids this is how you safely handle a firearm, first check to see if it's unloaded...BANG!!....MY THIGH!!!! (kids laughing historically)

    Just another reason why "trained expert/professional" is just a slang term to me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotorblade View Post
    Really?......For how long?

    The AD or ND whatever you want to call it was unfortunate but do you guys really think he should lose his CCW permit?
    I would agree with having it revoked until the guy can prove that he had gone through some number of remedial training hours. After the AD and some remedial training he will probably be more careful with his firearm than anyone here as he's had the beegeezus scared out of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adkjoe View Post
    OK kids this is how you safely handle a firearm, first check to see if it's unloaded...BANG!!....MY THIGH!!!! (kids laughing historically)

    Just another reason why "trained expert/professional" is just a slang term to me...
    LOL, that would be a sight to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugergirl View Post
    +1 for sure.

    What an idiot.
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    Yep, he just lost his cert........as well he should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mercop View Post
    NRA Instructor Rule #1 NO LIVE AMMO IN THE CLASSROOM

    Agreed 110%

    Before I leave my house to teach a class, I check all guns being used. When I arrive for class, I recheck the guns. When my assistant arrives, she checks the guns. When class starts, I ask all students if anyone has live ammo. I check any guns that the students bring in. Then I ask at least 2 students to check my guns to ensure no live ammo. When we return from breaks, I ask again if anyone has any live ammo. When I am not using my gun at the moment, its sits next to me with the action open. When I pick it up to demo something, I look, feel and look again for live ammo.

    Its simply a matter of repeating safe acts over and over so that mistakes like this do not happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercop View Post
    NRA Instructor Rule #1 NO LIVE AMMO IN THE CLASSROOM
    To me, this rule is part of the problem rather than part of the solution. Attempting to establish a sterile environment, where all guns are 'safe' encourages careless gunhandling. That carelessness can lead to tragedy when ammo ends up in the supposedly sterile environment.

    This instructor was probably so used to operating in a 'sterile' environment that he assumed the gun was empty, failed to check, then handled it carelessly.

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    Didnt break any bones??? Shot in the foot?

    How did he NOT hit a bone in the foot. I'm not sure if I should call this a good shot or bad!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackeagle View Post
    To me, this rule is part of the problem rather than part of the solution. Attempting to establish a sterile environment, where all guns are 'safe' encourages careless gunhandling. That carelessness can lead to tragedy when ammo ends up in the supposedly sterile environment.

    This instructor was probably so used to operating in a 'sterile' environment that he assumed the gun was empty, failed to check, then handled it carelessly.


    When I took a course with the NRA instructor... anytime he showed what NOT to do the blue gun came out. Anytime he picked up a real gun he racked the slide, looked inside and checked the chamber before dropping the slide.

    My CCW course had airsoft guns CLEARLY marked with orange paint whenever they showed things to do and not to do. There was CO2 to operate the slide but no BB's and never pointed it at students. They even racked the slide on the airsoft gun several times in the course just from habit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackeagle View Post
    To me, this rule is part of the problem rather than part of the solution. Attempting to establish a sterile environment, where all guns are 'safe' encourages careless gunhandling. That carelessness can lead to tragedy when ammo ends up in the supposedly sterile environment.

    This instructor was probably so used to operating in a 'sterile' environment that he assumed the gun was empty, failed to check, then handled it carelessly.
    sorry....that is about as liberal a statement as i can think of...sterile environment or not the basic rules apply...if a gun store salesman pulls an unloaded gun out of a case...racks the slide and shows me an unlioaded firearm i rack the slide again after its handed to me and confirm its unloaded...sometimes i will hand it back with the slide locked back...

    when it comes to guns we dont make assumptions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwaa View Post
    Didnt break any bones??? Shot in the foot?

    How did he NOT hit a bone in the foot. I'm not sure if I should call this a good shot or bad!
    I read that the round went through the table first, could have been fragments that hit his foot, rather than an intact bullet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackeagle View Post
    To me, this rule is part of the problem rather than part of the solution. Attempting to establish a sterile environment, where all guns are 'safe' encourages careless gunhandling.
    Good point, in the sense that having a real gun promotes the possibility of forgetting to validate no ammo is in the gun. Trouble is, failure means ND and the threat of injury.

    "Blue" guns do have their place, as Razor mentions.

    With a training gun, there is no additional risk of failure to confirm clear, failure to maintain muzzle or trigger control. In a sense, that also promotes laxity in those areas, but it does remove the threat of ultimate failure (ND) if that case arises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bladenbullet View Post
    sorry....that is about as liberal a statement as i can think of...sterile environment or not the basic rules apply...if a gun store salesman pulls an unloaded gun out of a case...racks the slide and shows me an unlioaded firearm i rack the slide again after its handed to me and confirm its unloaded...sometimes i will hand it back with the slide locked back...

    when it comes to guns we dont make assumptions...
    When it comes to guns we shouldn't make assumptions. The reality is that people do, especially when they try to make distinctions between 'safe' guns and unsafe guns, or 'safe' environments and unsafe environments.

    The reality is that guns are dangerous implements that need to be treated with respect. Attempts to make them 'safe' end up diminishing that vital respect, which far to often leads to tragedies like this.

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