This is a discussion on UGLY Negligent Discharge in Orlando (Merged) within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; NRA gun instructor shoots student by accident Instructor’s gun goes off, striking student in foot "A gun instructor accidently shot a student in the foot ...
NRA gun instructor shoots student by accident
Instructor’s gun goes off, striking student in foot
"A gun instructor accidently shot a student in the foot Saturday during an NRA class to receive certification to carry a concealed weapon, Orlando police said.
Robert Frauman Jr., 50, was taken to Florida Hospital after instructor Michael Phillips' firearm discharged about 11:45 a.m., police said.
Phillips, 32, could not be reached for comment. The accident happened at Summit Church, located in a former movie theater near he Fashion Square mall.
The bullet went through a table before it hit Frauman, said Kristy-Lee Lawley, the church's communications director. She said Frauman, a member of the church, was "recovering well" and the bullet didn't break any bones.
Frauman was one of three students in the class, which was not a church-sponsored event, Lawley said. She said the church offered an upstairs conference room for free after some church members requested to have the class there. Lawley said the church is empty on Saturdays and this was the first class of its kind there.
"We won't be having anything like that in our church in the future," Lawley said.
The church with 2,500 members is headed by Pastor Isaac Hunter, son of the Rev. Joel Hunter, senior pastor of the Longwood-based megachurch Northland, A Church Distributed. The churches are not affiliated.
The NRA has a rule against bringing ammunition into a class, said Tom Wagner, a NRA instructor in Orlando who was not involved in Saturday's shooting. He said the association has "no problem yanking a certification if the rules are being broken."
This was not the first time something's gone wrong during a gun demonstration in Orlando. In 2004, a special agent with the Drug Enforcement Administration shot himself in the thigh with a .40-caliber Glock pistol while talking to schoolchildren about gun safety."
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Thank you Mr. Phillips ....I'm gonna stop there before I get violatedWe won't be having anything like that in our church in the future," Lawley said.
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Live ammo, for a seminar held in a conference room? Dumb, dumb, dumb.She said the church offered an upstairs conference room for free after some church members requested to have the class there.
It's as much an error in siting judgment as it was failure to adhere to the four basic rules of firearms safety. Can't imagine why the facility's owners and the instructor would allow live ammo to be brought out except at a suitable facility (such as a legitimate range).
We've all be "swept" by the muzzle, before. I always cringe when it happens, making clear what was just done and reminding folks to desist. When lives are at risk, you can't ever be too careful.
1. A firearm is always loaded.
2. Do not point the gun at anything you are not prepared to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until sights are on the target.
4. Know your target and what's beyond it.
And, apparently for these folks, at least:
5. Don't use live ammo except at a suitable facility.
Hopefully not only will the NRA strip him of his Instructor credentials, but the state will strip him Firearms Instructors license and CC permit as well.
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You just can't fix stupid!
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I will never get it!
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Don't want to get shot by instructor while learning firearm safety.
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He'll be lucky if he doesn't get sued too!
ALWAYS carry! - NEVER tell!
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I think I know the vic. I can't confirm it, but a last name search in Florida yields interesting results and that's all I'll say about him. If it's who I think it is, he was my neighbor when I lived in that area and doesn't have the temperament or judgment to carry a firearm (unless he's changed his ways).
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BE PREPARED - Noah didn't build the Ark when it was raining!
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