Perfect way to use 12ga. on a thief... (non-lethal) hmm where can you buy these?

This is a discussion on Perfect way to use 12ga. on a thief... (non-lethal) hmm where can you buy these? within the Defensive Knives & Other Weapons forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by 376matt 'Because this bullet can be fired wire-free from a standard shotgun there is a heightened risk of causing serious injury to ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 376matt View Post

    'Because this bullet can be fired wire-free from a standard shotgun there is a heightened risk of causing serious injury to the face and head.

    'We're also concerned by the fact that these weapons will deliver an excruciatingly painful shock for 20 seconds.
    So what? Why are people SO concerned with protecting CRIMINALS??? If you DON'T want to get shot, don't commit a crime. SIMPLE!
    One of the most dangerous political philosophies afflicting America today is the belief that we can’t allow anyone to suffer the natural consequences of their own stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007BondJames View Post
    I would put the stun round first in the magazine of my Remmington 870 then followed with 00 buck the rack it and top off with another 00.



    I would put the stun round after the 5th 00 buck round...


    "bang bang bang bang bang...bzzzzzzzt"
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    the perfect way to use a 12ga. on a thief is to fill it with 00 buck

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    bomber beat me to it.

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    sheeezzz! sign of times i guess......you think a BG is looking at this and saying oooh oooh! this would be a perfect weapon for me!
    got to texas as fast as i could...Fuhgeddaboudit!

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    Well, I'm a #4 buckshot kid. I fail to see the point in shooting someone nine times with each pull of the trigger when I can it 26 times instead.

    As for the Taser Shotshell thing, it's a police tool. Leave ninja wamba-jamba like this to people who have to try to take them alive for a living. Your job is to protect you and yours, not to make sure that you don't hurt anybody when they're in your house at 3am up to no good.

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    Figgidaboudit

    I am sticking with what I have and that is with Federal Tactical 00 Buck. If I am gonna use any gun, it's gonna remain a lethal weapon. Otherwise, what's the point in it? I got my OC spray for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram25 View Post
    If I am put in a situation where I have to use my weapon for SD, I don't want the BG getting up. For his sake, I hope he leaves me and mine alone.
    I see very little difference between this and firing a warning shot. Hypothetically, if it comes to the point where a victim needs to fire at a perpetrator, lethal force is justified, and most likely called for in order to end the threat.
    "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 376matt View Post


    'Super-Taser' shotgun bullet that can knock down criminals from 100ft

    A new 'super-Taser' stun gun that fires a 500-volt wireless 'bullet' up to 100ft is being considered for use by UK police forces, the Home Office said today.
    The extended Range Electronic Projectile (XREP), already used by police in the U.S., fires a barbed electrode from a modified 12-bore shotgun.
    It hooks into the target's skin before administering a 20-second shock which renders the sub More..ject totally incapacitated.
    And if the recipient tries to pull the device off, 'reflex engagement electrodes' complete a circuit that sends the shock through the subject's body through their hand.
    Amnesty International has expressed 'serious concern' about the XREP and are worried by news it could be authorised in the UK.
    XREP manufacturers Taser International describe the Taser as a 'revolutionary' step towards immobilising dangerous criminals from a greater distance than ever before.
    Traditional hand-held Taser stun guns can fire electrified darts up to 25 feet and deliver a five-second shock, which can be re-triggered.
    A spokesman for XREP said: 'This is the first wireless projectile that can deliver less-than lethal electro-muscular incapacitation at long range.
    'Launched from a 12-gauge shotgun platform, this innovative device is set to revolutionise law enforcement operations and will give military forces an effective, less lethal option up to a range of 20 metres.'

    Amnesty International claim 334 people in the U.S. died between 2001 and 2008 after being targeted by the stun gun.
    UK's arms programme director, Oliver Sprague, said: 'This is effectively a shotgun that fires electric-shock bullets.

    'Because this bullet can be fired wire-free from a standard shotgun there is a heightened risk of causing serious injury to the face and head.

    'We're also concerned by the fact that these weapons will deliver an excruciatingly painful shock for 20 seconds.

    'Amnesty would be very alarmed if the Home Office were to consider authorising this weapon to police officers in the UK.'
    A Home Office Spokesperson said: 'The Home Office Scientific Development Branch is considering the XREP as part of its ongoing remit to evaluate new technologies.
    'All new technologies are subjected to the most stringent safety tests and independent medical evaluation before they can be considered for police issue.

    'The Government and the police have no current plans to introduce XREP Tasers into service.'

    Tasers have been used in around 6,000 incidents in England and Wales since they were introduced in April 2004.
    When introduced Tasers were only used by firearms-qualified officers but following successful trials are now issued to officers with specialist training.

    MP David Hanson said this week: 'Tasers are a vital police tool which help protect both officers and the public.
    'They do not even have to be discharged to help defuse violent or dangerous situations, often just drawing the device can be enough to deter criminals.'
    As I understand it, your gun is considered a "deadly weapon" regardless of the ammunition used. Because of that, it is my understanding that if you fire a less-than-lethal round out of your firearm at a BG, you can actually be in serious trouble because you used a deadly weapon in a manner meant to be less-than-lethal, which means you didn't fear for you life and well-being enough to have used a deadly weapon in the first place. I'll stick with keeping bullets and Tasers separate and leave the combination to the guys who can get away with it (ie: LEO and Military)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    If I want to stun a criminal I'll hand him a pair of tweezers and tell him at gun point to stick them in an electrical socket
    Dude, your frigging hilarious!!!

    Are you sure California Anti Gun Law Legislators didn't come up with the idea for this product...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheoryRealm View Post
    I would put the stun round after the 5th 00 buck round...


    "bang bang bang bang bang...bzzzzzzzt"
    +1! greatest image I have had of a BG all week!
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    IMO if you want a non lethal way with a 12 gauge... shoot the BG with a couple rounds of rock salt... if he's stupid enough to get up.. the next 00 buck!
    "Someday someone may kill you with your own gun but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty."

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    If this zapper round was determined to be reliable, I'd give it a try. If a robber where to make his way into my home and try and help me out of my possessions, I'd love to have an extra 20 seconds to size up the situation. In the time he is laid out getting the shock of his life, I could be moving to a better position of cover, my wife could retrieve her firearm or call 911.

    And, if it didn't work, there is always the option to go lethal. Plus, in the event you are charged, a good defense lawyer could make a strong case that you did every thing possible to stop the BG before using lethal force.
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    I'm the OP and I would never use a round like this in self defense... I mentioned a thief, and I should of clarified a thief not in your home or trying to harm you or yours.
    I mention that because I see many post concerning folks that enter your property or land with the intent to steal or damage your property. Something like this may be an effective deterrent, because you would not be able to load the thief up with buckshot without possibly being charged.
    Last year I was party to a conversation between a Judge and one of the court bailiffs. This convo took place in the back halls of courthouse.

    Baliff: "I've got this guy breaking into my garage in the middle of the night stealing stuff. I have heard him a few time and ran out my back door with my shotgun and this guy immediatly turns tail and runs down the street and I'm afraid if I hit em in the back I could get charged."

    Judge: "If your gonna have to shoot him in the back... load up with birdshot. That way you won't kill him, and he probably won't come back. Probably won't even admit he got shot... because he is a thief. If ya do that I think you will come out just fine... "

    Funny conversation.
    Soooo... what do you folks say about trespassing thiefs? Let them come and go as they please? If deadly force is not an option what is your solution?

    I will go ahead and take land mines and Bear traps off the options.

    That is all....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 376matt View Post
    Soooo... what do you folks say about trespassing thiefs? Let them come and go as they please? If deadly force is not an option what is your solution?

    I will go ahead and take land mines and Bear traps off the options.

    That is all....
    As my old criminal justice prof, Dr. Pilcher, always said....."well hell, this is Texas, and a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do". Reference below:

    relating to the use of force or deadly force in defense of a person.

    BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

    SECTION 1. Section 9.01, Penal Code, is amended by adding Subdivisions (4) and (5) to read as follows:

    (4) “Habitation” has the meaning assigned by Section 30.01.

    (5) “Vehicle” has the meaning assigned by Section 30.01.

    SECTION 2. Section 9.31, Penal Code, is amended by amending Subsection (a) and adding Subsections (e) and (f) to read as follows:

    (a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor [he] reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect the actor [himself] against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful force. The actor’s belief that the force was immediately necessary as described by this subsection is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:

    (1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the force was used:

    (A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor’s occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;

    Gotta love that ole Castle Doctrine
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