This is a discussion on Perfect way to use 12ga. on a thief... (non-lethal) hmm where can you buy these? within the Defensive Knives & Other Weapons forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by 376matt 'Because this bullet can be fired wire-free from a standard shotgun there is a heightened risk of causing serious injury to ...
One of the most dangerous political philosophies afflicting America today is the belief that we can’t allow anyone to suffer the natural consequences of their own stupidity.
the perfect way to use a 12ga. on a thief is to fill it with 00 buck
sheeezzz! sign of times i guess......you think a BG is looking at this and saying oooh oooh! this would be a perfect weapon for me!
got to texas as fast as i could...Fuhgeddaboudit!
Well, I'm a #4 buckshot kid. I fail to see the point in shooting someone nine times with each pull of the trigger when I can it 26 times instead.
As for the Taser Shotshell thing, it's a police tool. Leave ninja wamba-jamba like this to people who have to try to take them alive for a living. Your job is to protect you and yours, not to make sure that you don't hurt anybody when they're in your house at 3am up to no good.
I am sticking with what I have and that is with Federal Tactical 00 Buck. If I am gonna use any gun, it's gonna remain a lethal weapon. Otherwise, what's the point in it? I got my OC spray for that.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups"
IMO if you want a non lethal way with a 12 gauge... shoot the BG with a couple rounds of rock salt... if he's stupid enough to get up.. the next 00 buck!
"Someday someone may kill you with your own gun but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty."
"Leave the gun, take the cannoli."
If this zapper round was determined to be reliable, I'd give it a try. If a robber where to make his way into my home and try and help me out of my possessions, I'd love to have an extra 20 seconds to size up the situation. In the time he is laid out getting the shock of his life, I could be moving to a better position of cover, my wife could retrieve her firearm or call 911.
And, if it didn't work, there is always the option to go lethal. Plus, in the event you are charged, a good defense lawyer could make a strong case that you did every thing possible to stop the BG before using lethal force.
Don't believe what you hear and only half of what you see!
I'm the OP and I would never use a round like this in self defense... I mentioned a thief, and I should of clarified a thief not in your home or trying to harm you or yours.
I mention that because I see many post concerning folks that enter your property or land with the intent to steal or damage your property. Something like this may be an effective deterrent, because you would not be able to load the thief up with buckshot without possibly being charged.
Last year I was party to a conversation between a Judge and one of the court bailiffs. This convo took place in the back halls of courthouse.
Baliff: "I've got this guy breaking into my garage in the middle of the night stealing stuff. I have heard him a few time and ran out my back door with my shotgun and this guy immediatly turns tail and runs down the street and I'm afraid if I hit em in the back I could get charged."
Judge: "If your gonna have to shoot him in the back... load up with birdshot. That way you won't kill him, and he probably won't come back. Probably won't even admit he got shot... because he is a thief. If ya do that I think you will come out just fine... "
Soooo... what do you folks say about trespassing thiefs? Let them come and go as they please? If deadly force is not an option what is your solution?
I will go ahead and take land mines and Bear traps off the options.
That is all....
relating to the use of force or deadly force in defense of a person.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Section 9.01, Penal Code, is amended by adding Subdivisions (4) and (5) to read as follows:
(4) “Habitation” has the meaning assigned by Section 30.01.
(5) “Vehicle” has the meaning assigned by Section 30.01.
SECTION 2. Section 9.31, Penal Code, is amended by amending Subsection (a) and adding Subsections (e) and (f) to read as follows:
(a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor [he] reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect the actor [himself] against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful force. The actor’s belief that the force was immediately necessary as described by this subsection is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:
(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the force was used:
(A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor’s occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;
Gotta love that ole Castle Doctrine
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