I have two bad knees...most of the time they really don't bother me, or the pain is minor...but every few months, I have a flare up on one knee or the other and that means some strong pain killers...
Usually my bad flare-up last two or three days...but my latest lasted two weeks...lots of pain meds...so I haven't been able to CC for over a week...
But the Docs gave me a new SD tool...a cane...and I've been reading some interesting sites on line to learn tactics and methods to use...
And I ordered a stronger (and classier) cane for future use...
I've been off the pain meds for two days, and went out CCing today, but I know I'll have another flare up in the future, so I'm looking to improve my overall SD toolbox by learning how to use the cane effectively...
I have been looking in to this as well. I have 2 bad knees, bone on bone for the most part. There is a system called, wait for it...
Cane-Fu.
It can be a very viable close contact defense tool, especially when flying or in other locations where firearms and other defensive tools are prohibited.
I would also recommend "Martial Cane Concepts" by Michael Janich. It's self-defense with a cane that is doable by those that are using a cane out of necessity and not just an extension of their martial arts training. The difference is that a lot of the cane stuff shown in some training material cannot be done by someone that has the physical limitations the cane is suppose to help overcome. The techniques Michael demonstrates are effective but do not require super agility and coordination.
This is a weapon I train with all the time. It's one of the best things you can have and it's utterly devastating. To be good with this kind of implement, you have to work with it. It isn't a baseball bat - you don't swing it unless going for a finishing blow. In most cases, you want to hook or jam it against your opponent's body, and use leverage to execute a takedown.
For example, hold it with two hands, hook the end up and behind the bg's neck, then execute a rowing motion. Stick it through the crotch area and row while you walk past. Jam it under an arm and draw a big circle or two - do figure-8s. It binds the opponent and leverages your body weight and force and is just brutally effective.
Hold it in two hands and point it, tip first, then step and jab. It concentrates all your weight and energy into the tip, for powerful strikes and jabs. Aimed at the base of the neck, the solar plexus, wow. Now swing and rotate your body, using the tip to draw big circles - anything in the path is going to be unhappy.
Yes, as with everything else, some training in technique is needed. A cane can combine techniques used with a bo-staff, Arnis bamboo sticks, and various H2H moves for a very effective defense. But, you need to know how to use it and simply flailing away will likely get it taken and used against you. Learning retention and recovery is really really really important.
One of my favorites was as a come-along or a nose dive. Holding it in the center, insert it through the legs from the rear then turn it so it bears against the front of both legs. Lift a little and they go wherever you want trying to maintain their balance. Lift more and its a nose dive. Granted you need the right circumstances and an oponent that isn't to heavy to lift.
With the drugs I get, I am not willing to carry a weapon during a serious flare-up...
I hate them (the drugs) and try to use as little as possible...but my reactions and clarity of view is not always the best when on them, and I think it is safer for everyone around me if I don't carry then...
Like I said earlier...its rare that I need those drugs, but when I do...I DO!!!
A long time ago when I was a younger man I took a course in Jo Do ( the way of the short staff). I still practice a few of the moves that stuck with me over time. I use a straight cane with a knob top handle. If I was under the influence of strong pain medication I would feel that it would be much more difficult for me to protect myself with the cane then even using pepper spray. When I have had to use pain meds in the past, advanced motor skills were not at the top of my list of things I could do well. Staying home and sitting on the couch watching tv or sleeping were my preferred activities. I think I could manage "front sight, press" for close up SD if needed but I understand the OP's concerns. My $.02.:yup:
I've actually thought of marketing a gun cane. With the availability of concealed weapons permits it just makes sense. I am not aware of any on the market that one could buy and there does seem to be a market for them.
They would be classed as AOW with the 5 dollar fee. I'm thinking of something like a 2 or 4 shot .357 or .45 Colt. A rimmed cartridge for ease of extraction. Some thing that fulfill the requirements of a concealed handgun, yet one that is quick to access and in a serious caliber. I think it'd doable and practical.
Lets face it, you might beat someone off of you but even that takes a lot of effort.
Leveling a cane at someone and pulling the trigger would be a whole lot easier.
What do y'all think? I've been thinking about coming up with a design for awhile.
We'll get there soon. In the meanwhile, I've always liked the canes or walking sticks with the Ninja sword inside. Just a little twist of the wrist and out comes a full sized blade that can take off an arm at the shoulder with a good swing or sever the spinal cord with a full two handed swing at the neck of the opponent. As far as a gun cane....I'm thinking there's already something that's been thought of. Maybe a single shot 12ga, but I'm almost sure we could engineer something better. I'll almost guarantee it would be a single shot. With a cane gun....you'll have to be a true sleeper. Most canes are longer than a normal gun and there's always the possibilities of getting that cane yanked out from under you, or you being in too close proximity to effectively deploy it. It is however an interesting thought.
Originally Posted by Pistology
Michael D. Janich has a good rep. No affiliation, but here's the link to his Martial Cane Concepts DVD.
Interview.
The Japanese have Karate-like cane forms, and the Chinese integrate the cane into Tai Chi-like forms, etc.
Quote by 2edgesword
I would also recommend "Martial Cane Concepts" by Michael Janich. It's self-defense with a cane that is doable by those that are using a cane out of necessity and not just an extension of their martial arts training. The difference is that a lot of the cane stuff shown in some training material cannot be done by someone that has the physical limitations the cane is suppose to help overcome. The techniques Michael demonstrates are effective but do not require super agility and coordination.
I will give my vote for Michael Janich's DVD "Martial Cane Concepts". As "2edgesword" posted those who carry a cane because of nesessity can not do the moves of the more martial arts form of training. I have started to carry a cane as of late I found Michal's DVD to be very good info for me, effective but simple.
Just read some reviews and bought the video from Amazon. Looking forward to trying out the techniques. The older I get the more I like the K.I.S.S. principals.
Not really. A simple mechanism like a Freedom Arms 4 shot .22 mag could easily be camoflaged to work as a can gun. A longer curved handel with a 4 shot something could be easly hidden. The barrel wouldn't even have to extend the length of the cane to keep it concealable as a pistol and still be legal. It would be a can that works, with a gun that works and fires more than one shot.
With just a little imagination it could be done. Got a concealed handgun permit and bad knees? No problem, with this you could take it anywhere and no one would have a clue until you used it.
This would be of interest to me. I've got problems with knee and hip pain and need a cane from time to time. I also have trouble with my shoulder and elbows from time to time so just training in a sort of cane martial art isn't really something highly practical for me. The idea of having four shots of .22 magnum hidden in a cane is nice to go along with what ever else I have with me. I mean if you need the cane may as well have a surprise for any would be BG.
If you think about it those two piece adjustable aluminum canes would be ideal if they were thick enough to handle the blast. A stationary firing pin at the top of the cane, with the shell in the top of the bottom piece, loosen the nut push in the adjuster button, twist so it doesn't reset in the hole and it's like a single pump shotcane. Thats the single shot version, but it would heavy. Ok you guys get the weight down and we'll go for the patent ??
I found with canes that you actually don't need a ton of training to still be reasonably effective. Training helps a lot, but if you remember the basic strikes and parries from bayonet training, they translate pretty well to a basic manual of arms for a cane.
I was thinking a rotating firing pin like the old COP 4 barrel derringer rather than a rotating cylinder. And don't forget that a cane would leave lots of room for a suppressor....
I'll second CaneMasters. I've had one for about two years and use it all the time. I have nerve damage in both legs and the right one will just buckle on me, out of the blue. My CaneMasters cane is hickory heart and just a hair over 1" in diameter. Its finely finished and rubbed with Tung Oil. I'd highly recommend one.
2 injuries to my back and right ankle have me walking with a cane on occassion and always when i fly...a canemasters cane is a beautiful self defense weapon but a nice hardwood cane can be purchased at the farm store for $10 as a stockmans cane if the budget doesnt allow for the big dollars...
the sword in the cane is novel...and a gun in the cane sounds cool...but a cane in itself is a very effective weapon and it wouldnt hurt for some of us to remember the gun isnt the end all protector...
at the airport a cane can get you into a wheelchair and expressed right passed the line at the gate for quick security check...your family accompanies you past everyone...you are allowed to take the cane on the plane with you and there are no "cane free" zones...they come in handy at restaurants also for moving through the line quickly...and security seldom looks at them anywhere as a weapon...
whether you require a cane or not its not a bad thing to have for times when it might be a handy friend depending on where you are...
Not sure if you fly much,but consider one of those sword canes for all the other times.Also,focus on finer martial arts.Ginhu,for example.Dealing not with fancy kicks which you might not could do,but fine wrist movements that a cane could be used with to block and strike.
A cane can be used with or without conditions that docs care about. The "right" cane can be easy to wield, be hard-hitting, be easy to take anywhere (including into "secure" zones such as at airports and such).
... and I've been reading some interesting sites on line to learn tactics and methods to use...
If you have two bad knees, you'll need to adjust your training to ensure that the movements you review and get good at executing take that into account.
Definitely seek out a defensive trainer who has "cane" experience and can help you create techniques and a training regimen that will help to keep the skills fresh.
And I ordered a stronger (and classier) cane for future use...
If you're looking for a strong cane, consider any of the polypropylene canes made by Cold Steel. The material is unbelievably strong and hard-hitting. I take mine along anytime I am traveling.
I have long been a fan of canes. Hidden in plain sight always in your hand, instantly deployed, take it everywhere. An added benefit is that they tend to have predators under estimate you. With some training and practice they do not require a great deal of strength or agility and can be devastating. From standing with one to crushing genitalia, requires only a snap of your arm upwards. Reverse that for an over hand swing to break a collar bone. At bad breath distances a cane deploys quicker than a gun or knife and can be as effective. I am a fan of T-handled canes where the handle comes off of the shaft at a right angle like a police baton. There is a reason they use that design, its more effective as a weapon than a straight baton or cane. Last year I got one of my favorite gifts of all time an authentic Black Thorn cane brought over from Ireland with a T-handle design made by the same guy who made John F Kennedy's canes.
I ordered my Martial Cane Concepts on 11/20 and received it today. I purchased it through Amazon.com from a seller called Jaguara Traders. $27.74 and $2.98 shipping. Best deal I found. sales@jaguara.ca
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