Is the Spyderco Civilian right for me?

Is the Spyderco Civilian right for me?

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    Is the Spyderco Civilian right for me?

    Hi Guys,

    I've noticed that a number of people own/carry or are familiar with this knife. I was wondering if it should become my new carry knife.


    Per Syderco, this knife was designed for people with little training: why is this? Is it that this knive if simply made to slash which may require less skill than thrusts, etc?

    Here's my situation, I like to carry a knife and OC when I carry my pistol. But more importantly, I have to walk about 1/2 mile each day to and from my car at work each day. This walk is through a very bad area of town. I'm not allowed to have a firearm at work. I'm looking for a new knife to keep me safe.

    I have chronic back problems and I'm not planning on taking any martial arts classes anytime soon, so I'm looking for a user/novice friendly knife that is easy to operate.

    Any feedback would be much appreciated.


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    Well, I can certainly understand why you would want a knife with you if you have to leave your gun behind. However, I am of the opinion that an untrained person should not carry a knife for a weapon, any more than an untrained person should carry a gun. Sorry for the bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beprepared
    However, I am of the opinion that an untrained person should not carry a knife for a weapon, any more than an untrained person should carry a gun. Sorry for the bad news.
    I can see that viewpoint, but on the other point, I don't think simple self defense with a knife is as much rocket science as some people would like to think. And, UNLIKE a pistol, I don't think there is as much potential for hurting innocent people. Being an expert with a blade will surely help in a fight, but in terms of being mugged by some dirtbag, I think the average person (even without offical training) fairs better with a knife versus nothing.


    You aren't one of those people who think you take a 4 day cert class to carry mace, right? *wink*

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    The design of the Civilian with the reverse "S" shaped bkade is nit for thrusting, it is for slashing at the extremeties and neck. In my views the knife is a defense only weapon, it should be used to keep your attacker away. If both of you and your attacker have knives, escape and evade. There have been several other post regarding this knife where I have prviouly stated that the first rule of a knife fight is that YOU WILL BE CUT.

    Back to the design of the civilain the tip of the blade is designed to break off into bone/flesh mass and infilct more damage. Once again this is not a stabbing or thursting weapon, a series of diagonal slashes will be enough to slice your attacker to ribbons.

    Also, check on your local laws CCW/CHL/CPL does not exactly cover blades, and the Civilian is considered illegal to carry in some states. However I can't think of one LEO that would bust you for a knife if your liscensed to carry a firearm.

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    I have the Civilian, and it's appearance would probably change most attacker's minds; the presence of a knife could deter the problem. You might not have to use it, and if you do, the Civilian is a great cutter.

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    In my opinion any knife is designed for a person with little training. The knife is the universal weapon and anyone can do damage with it.
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    Thanks everyone

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    You should still understand the basics of defense with a knife, slashing angles, how to use it to your advantage properly and not just rely on the "I'll slash with it and survive" mentality.

    Re: slashing, it is very good at that once laid on the body. If you really want to learn how to use it for your best defense, contact Jim Keating company "ComTech" who has a video out on the specific use of the Civilian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzQkr
    You should still understand the basics of defense with a knife, slashing angles, how to use it to your advantage properly and not just rely on the "I'll slash with it and survive" mentality.

    Re: slashing, it is very good at that once laid on the body. If you really want to learn how to use it for your best defense, contact Jim Keating company "ComTech" who has a video out on the specific use of the Civilian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swiftyjuan
    I have the Civilian, and it's appearance would probably change most attacker's minds; You might not have to use it, and if you do, the Civilian is a great cutter.
    no doubt ! thats one scary knife...

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    It is one scary knife. I carry mine when I am not able to carry my gun. It is only a defense weapon. It is not a utility knife. If you find that you have to use your knife for utility purposes as well, another knife may be better, or just carry a small swiss army knife for utility. I think with a little practice and some reading it is a good defensive weapon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingle1911
    It is one scary knife. I carry mine when I am not able to carry my gun. It is only a defense weapon. It is not a utility knife. If you find that you have to use your knife for utility purposes as well, another knife may be better, or just carry a small swiss army knife for utility. I think with a little practice and some reading it is a good defensive weapon
    The first time I used the knife was at a wreck. Another guy got there before me, and the car was upside down with a really drunk driver hanging from his seatbelt. As I approached, the other guy said "you got a knife?" I handed him the Civilian, and he cut through the seat belt like butter. The driver was unhurt. When the guy handed me the knife back, he said "When you opened that thing, I almost ran! But it sure works good!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mass-Diver
    I can see that viewpoint, but on the other point, I don't think simple self defense with a knife is as much rocket science as some people would like to think. And, UNLIKE a pistol, I don't think there is as much potential for hurting innocent people. Being an expert with a blade will surely help in a fight, but in terms of being mugged by some dirtbag, I think the average person (even without offical training) fairs better with a knife versus nothing.


    You aren't one of those people who think you take a 4 day cert class to carry mace, right? *wink*
    Haha...

    I can see your point too. You are right that a person does not need any training to be dangerous with a knife. I certainly wouldn't want to get close to anyone yielding a knife, trained or not. So, I will concede on this point.

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    Friends,

    Those of you who have greater experience in these things may disagree, but I'm kind of thinking that a knife in the hands of an expert can be a good thing, but no novice should use consider using a knife defensively.

    Most men, without training, grip the knive and proceed to "box", pausing after every "punch" to evaluate the effect. Oftentimes (we use hard plastic training knives, so there's enough of a booboo that nobody really wants to get struck) the novice is quickly disarmed ... sometimes by other novices. When you consider that the orc approching you is probably not coming to his first rodeo, it's enough to make one rethink the problem.

    I usually just recommend pepper spray to folks that need a defensive tool but haven't the time to properly train.

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    Gary,

    I have to disagree. Should a person seek training in order to be able to use their knife more effectively? Absolutely. Is training a prerequisite to using a knife effectively? No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Crumrine
    Most men, without training, grip the knive and proceed to "box", pausing after every "punch" to evaluate the effect.
    That certainly has not been my experience but let us assume this is the case. A good, solid "punch" to the chest with a knife is going to beat spraying someone in the face with pepper spray every day of the week.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Crumrine
    Oftentimes (we use hard plastic training knives, so there's enough of a booboo that nobody really wants to get struck) the novice is quickly disarmed ... sometimes by other novices.
    I still have the scar from when I disarmed a "novice." Incidentally, that pivotal event ended much of my infatuation with the martial arts and signalled the start of my serious interest in firearms.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Crumrine
    When you consider that the orc approching you is probably not coming to his first rodeo, it's enough to make one rethink the problem.
    This is a valid point. In my experience, anyone who has been around the block more than once has a healthy respect for a knife and what it can do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Crumrine
    I usually just recommend pepper spray to folks that need a defensive tool but haven't the time to properly train.
    I am not really a proponent of pepper spray. I have not found it to be quite as debilitating as many people believe and some people are unaffected by it. You need to have a plan in case it does not work.

    That said, it does have its place. Knives, guns and pepper spray all have different roles though some of these roles overlap. For example, it is difficult to effect an escape from a choke using a gun or pepper spray but it is relatively easy to do so with a knife. Likewise, it is difficult to respond in kind when you are attacked with deadly force if you are only equipped with pepper spray.

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