Self defense with a knife training question

Self defense with a knife training question

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    Cool Self defense with a knife training question

    Ok so I purchased an awesome knife today. It's a spyderco endura wave. This is my first real self defense knife. I have probably 100 knives but not a true self defense knife like this one. I am looking for a good training DVD or set of them. I have found by google searching them that there are thousands of them. So what say ye community? Whats the best self defense knife instructional video? I am leaning to janich a little bit but I want to hear other recommendations. Thanks in advance!!


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    can you learn to drive a race car from a book?

    take a course in force-on-force. and a martial arts course also. hands on for some things is the only way to get started. than a book on techniques can be read with understanding. good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by claude clay View Post
    can you learn to drive a race car from a book?

    take a course in force-on-force. and a martial arts course also. hands on for some things is the only way to get started. than a book on techniques can be read with understanding. good luck
    +1,000 on this. Take some lessons, then use DVDs to reinforce what you've learned. Trying to win a knife fight by DVD instruction only may get you cut with your own blade. I highly recommend some Krav Maga training, it will teach you to defend yourself against a knife when you get to level 2. Once you can defend against a knife attack, you can better defend with a knife.
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    Until you've seen up close and "in the flesh" the aftermath of a "amateur" knife fight you may wish to consider not relying on one to fight with. You can not learn force on force from DVDs. Take a REAL force on force class in hand to hand and edged weapons.

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    Stabbing someone is not really that complicated in my opinion. The trick is defending against another person with a knife.

    Training your mind is the most important aspect, however. You have to be able to react quickly and violently, and I think most people would struggle with stabbing somebody repeatedly - even in a self defense scenario.

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    Ok. Thanks for all the info but if this is the case then mabey some of you can help me find a class. I'm a second degree black belt in taekwando but that didn't help much with this. All I have found around here is a bunch of "tap out" wearing kids that have a "underground mma" style class. Not my cup of tea. I would like the krav magraw though. Anyone know of any of these "force on force" classes around Memphis, Tn? Please let me know...

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    Here are two places to check and find a certified Krav school, with certified instructors, not the underground MMA schools.

    Krav Maga Worldwide

    Krav Maga Alliance
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    Found one.... Thanks for the info.

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    I wonder if people really 'realize' what it is to use a knife on someone, and that it's a very personal close up encounter.

    One thing I learned is keeping a well calculated distance from my opponent.

    When a kid took a knife out and tried to stab me, I picked up a 2X4 and smacked him up the side of the head like it was a baseball bat, when he woke up.... I was standing there with his knife. I've since learned many things in my training, on how to take someone out very quickly if they are wielding a knife.... and not talking about a gun.

    I know you didn't ask for it, but.... while it may seem "cool", give it a lot of realistic thought.
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    I have given it a lot of thought. Here is what I think. I work in a lot of places where sometimes I can't take a gun. I am trained more than the average person on how to defend myself with my hands. While I agree that using a knife is a messy close up encounter, it is something that in my opinion is a great self defense tool if your gun is taken, or you can't carry one at the time for any reason. To me any tool used for self defense is one more in the favor of yourself. I do know that there are times that some improvised weapons such as a 2x4 would be a better choice but for me, I wouldn't mind having that edged weapon for back up or even primary defense.

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    Some of My Knife Training Video Collection I Have Acquired Over the Years:
    "The Defensive Folder" by Michael Janich
    "Reverse Grip Knife Fighting" by James Keating
    "Knife Kembatives" by Kelly McCann
    "Death From the Shadows:Techniques of Sentry Stalking and Elimination" by Greg Walker
    "Close Quarter Combatives:Hand, Stick, Knife, and Gun Level I" (knife portion) by W. Hock Hocheim

    My previous hands on knife training was from the Filipino Martial Arts (FDC Academy) and Hock's Level I CQC 2-day seminar as well as some training tips from my friends with FMA training and, in the past, with some who have done time in prison.

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    For basic folder/knife training DVDs, I recommend taking a look at Mike Janich's material.

    For actual hands on training I would go with AMOK! ( AMOK! ). I have been to AMOK! seminars where one third of the student body was martial arts instructors from other systems.

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    Go to Youtube. Type in "Kelly McCann" or "Inside The Crucible."

    Watch those short freebie clips you'll find one that's applicable to your need.
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    I took the two-day defensive knife class at the Tactical Defense Institute.

    FANTASTIC Class! I really could not say enough about it. No, it doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure out how to cut someone with a blade and, yes, defending is a different monster but there are techniques you can use to better your outcome in using a defensive knife.

    A knife IS a great backup to a gun. Yes, it's messy. Yes, it will probably take a lot more to get your attacker to stop the attack and you are probably going to be a bloody mess when the dust settles but if you are willing to accept those things then a knife is not a bad choice.. in fact, I'm willing to say that a knife is one of those things that should be as readily carried as a spare magazine. Knives are not that easy to take away (vs guns, batons, etc), they are easily concealed and they are often legal in places where a gun is not.

    Learning where to cut to maximize damage, the difference between slashes and stabs (their effects and when to utilize one over the other (especially where clothes is concerned)), different cutting techniques (pressure cuts, running, coring, etc) for "wound enhancement," disabling cuts vs blood cuts and when/how to use one over the other or together, deployment methods, etc.. all of these things are taught (or should be taught) in a good KNIFE SPECIFIC defense class and is what I learned in my knife class at TDI.

    The FOF portion of the class was also awesome having to go full-contact with the instructor. I'd post the video but it breaks our family friendly language rules (turns out I have quite the potty mouth..lol.. who knew).

    It was two days filled with sparring and doing the work and FOF. I'm sure you'll read a lot of that stuff from books but actually getting up with a sparring partner and working the moves on a living, moving human is where you really start to see what works FOR YOU and what doesn't.

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    Thanks a lot guys. Those last three post were a great help. Question to limatunes, and I guess anyone else who has taken a class, how and where do y'all find these seminars? I would love to go to things like this. I looked into krav maga and would love to do this also but with a one year old and mom already being at home with him all day as it is, it's hard for me to find time to do that also. I would seriously be gone dusk to dawn and I can't do that right now. I feel like I asked a question and got attacked with a bunch of smart a$$ answers and sayings. I just need the info. I know it's better to do it in real life but some of us have more time than others. Everyone's situation is different. So thanks to the ones who actualy responded to the question rather than preaching. Btw, any links would be greatly appreciated.

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