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This is a discussion on What, Where & How Do You CC Knives within the Defensive Knives & Other Weapons forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; If I have time, I'd prefer to have a weapon in my left or non-strong hand side. Knife, OC spray, >100 lumen taclight. It keeps ...

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    If I have time, I'd prefer to have a weapon in my left or non-strong hand side. Knife, OC spray, >100 lumen taclight. It keeps BGs with knives at bay better than a HG alone (under 25 ft).


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    My knife is a tool, but is a weapon that I do train with, I carry a Gerber AO F.A.S.T. 3.0 not to tactical looking to scare people,but it has the assisted blade which makes deploying the knife fast...If its a tool great, but if you have planes on using it as a defense tool, better train with it.
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    ESEE Izulla 2 horazontal on my belt at 11:30, attached with a tek lock.

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    4.5 inches closed-

    "Knife about 4-1/2 inches in overall length which, when
    folded, was clearly designed for carrying in a pocket or
    purse, was an 'ordinary pocketknife' as defined by this
    section." (1989)








    North Carolina - See full texts below. Updated July 2004, August 2005.


    - 14-269 (excerpts). Carrying concealed weapons. (a) It shall be
    unlawful for any person, except when on his own premises,
    willfully and intentionally to carry concealed about his
    person any bowie knife, dirk, dagger... razor... or other
    deadly weapon of like kind. This section does not apply to
    an ordinary pocket knife carried in a closed position. As
    used in this section, "ordinary pocket knife" means a
    small knife, designed for carrying in a pocket or purse,
    which has its cutting edge and point entirely enclosed by
    its handle, and that may not be opened by a throwing,
    explosive, or spring action... (b1) It is a defense to
    prosecution under this section that: (1) The weapon was
    not a firearm; (2) The defendant was engaged in, or on the
    way to or from, an activity in which he legitimately used
    the weapon...
    - 14-269.2... (d) It shall be a misdemeanor for any person to
    possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any...
    bowie knife, dirk, dagger... switchblade knife... razors
    and razor blades (except solely for personal shaving), and
    any sharp-pointed or edged instrument, except
    instructional supplies, unaltered nail files and clips and
    tools used solely for preparation of food... on
    educational property [or to cause, encourage, or aid a
    minor to do likewise].
    - 14-269.6... it shall be unlawful for any person, including
    law enforcement officers... to possess, offer for sale,
    hold for sale, sell, give, loan, deliver, transport,
    manufacture or go armed with any spring-loaded projectile
    knife, ballistic knife, or any weapon of similar
    character...

    North Carolina Case Law:
    - "Carrying concealed weapons in reasonable apprehension of
    deadly assaults is not justification of a violation of the
    statutory offense, but in aggravation thereof, and may be
    considered by the trial judge in imposing the sentence..."
    (1916)
    - "A person acting in ignorance of the law in good faith and
    upon advice of the clerk of the court or of an attorney,
    but in violation of this section, is not excused." (1907)
    - "Knife about 4-1/2 inches in overall length which, when
    folded, was clearly designed for carrying in a pocket or
    purse, was an 'ordinary pocketknife' as defined by this
    section." (1989)
    - "This section making it indictable for one to carry
    concealed about his person any pistol, bowie knife, razor
    or other deadly weapon of like kind, embraces a butcher's
    knife." (1884)

    * * *



    FULL TEXTs July 2004



    SUBCHAPTER IX. OFFENSES AGAINST THE PUBLIC PEACE.
    Article 35.
    Offenses Against the Public Peace.
    � 14-269. Carrying concealed weapons.
    (a)It shall be unlawful for any person willfully and
    intentionally to carry concealed about his person any bowie
    knife, dirk, dagger, slung shot, loaded cane, metallic knuckles,
    razor, shurikin, stun gun, or other deadly weapon of like kind,
    except when the person is on the person's own premises.
    (a1)It shall be unlawful for any person willfully and
    intentionally to carry concealed about his person any pistol or
    gun except in the following circumstances:
    (1) The person is on the person's own premises.
    (2) The deadly weapon is a handgun, and the person has
    a concealed handgun permit issued in accordance
    with Article 54B of this Chapter or considered
    valid under G.S. 14-415.24.
    (b) This prohibition shall not apply to the following
    persons:
    (1) Officers and enlisted personnel of the armed forces
    of the United States when in discharge of their
    official duties as such and acting under orders
    requiring them to carry arms and weapons;
    (2) Civil and law enforcement officers of the United
    States while in the discharge of their official
    duties;
    (3) Officers and soldiers of the militia and the
    national guard when called into actual service;
    (4) Officers of the State, or of any county, city, or
    town, charged with the execution of the laws of the
    State, when acting in the discharge of their
    official duties;
    (5) Sworn law-enforcement officers, when off-duty, if:
    a. Written regulations authorizing the carrying
    of concealed weapons have been filed with the
    clerk of superior court in the county where
    the law-enforcement unit is located by the
    sheriff or chief of police or other superior
    officer in charge; and
    b. Such regulations specifically prohibit the
    carrying of concealed weapons while the
    officer is consuming or under the influence of
    alcoholic beverages.
    (b1)It is a defense to a prosecution under this section that:
    (1) The weapon was not a firearm;
    (2) The defendant was engaged in, or on the way to or
    from, an activity in which he legitimately used the
    weapon;
    (3) The defendant possessed the weapon for that
    legitimate use; and
    (4) The defendant did not use or attempt to use the
    weapon for an illegal purpose.
    The burden of proving this defense is on the defendant.
    (c) Any person violating the provisions of subsection (a) of
    this section shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. Any
    person violating the provisions of subsection (a1) of this
    section shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor for the first
    offense. A second or subsequent offense is punishable as a Class
    I felony.
    (d) This section does not apply to an ordinary pocket knife
    carried in a closed position. As used in this section, "ordinary
    pocket knife" means a small knife, designed for carrying in a
    pocket or purse, that has its cutting edge and point entirely
    enclosed by its handle, and that may not be opened by a
    throwing, explosive, or spring action. (Code, s. 1005; Rev., s.
    3708; 1917, c. 76; 1919, c. 197, s. 8; C.S., s. 4410; 1923, c.
    57; Ex. Sess. 1924, c. 30; 1929, cc. 51, 224; 1947, c. 459;
    1949, c. 1217; 1959, c. 1073, s. 1; 1965, c. 954, s. 1; 1969, c.
    1224, s. 7; 1977, c. 616; 1981, c. 412, s. 4; c. 747, s. 66;
    1983, c. 86; 1985, c. 432, ss. 1-3; 1993, c. 539, s. 163; 1994,
    Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 1995, c. 398, s. 2; 1997-238, s. 1;
    2003-199, s. 2.)




    � 14-269.2. Weapons on campus or other educational property.
    (a)The following definitions apply to this section:
    (1) Educational property. - Any school building or bus,
    school campus, grounds, recreational area, athletic
    field, or other property owned, used, or operated
    by any board of education or school board of
    trustees, or directors for the administration of
    any school.
    (1a) Employee. - A person employed by a local board of
    education or school whether the person is an adult
    or a minor.
    (1b) School. - A public or private school, community
    college, college, or university.
    (2) Student. - A person enrolled in a school or a
    person who has been suspended or expelled within
    the last five years from a school, whether the
    person is an adult or a minor.
    (3) Switchblade knife. - A knife containing a blade
    that opens automatically by the release of a spring
    or a similar contrivance.
    (4) Weapon. - Any device enumerated in subsection (b),
    (b1), or (d) of this section.
    (b) It shall be a Class I felony for any person to possess or
    carry, whether openly or concealed, any gun, rifle, pistol, or
    other firearm of any kind on educational property or to a
    curricular or extracurricular activity sponsored by a school.
    However, this subsection does not apply to a BB gun, stun gun,
    air rifle, or air pistol.
    (b1)It shall be a Class G felony for any person to possess or
    carry, whether openly or concealed, any dynamite cartridge,
    bomb, grenade, mine, or powerful explosive as defined in G.S.
    14-284.1, on educational property or to a curricular or
    extracurricular activity sponsored by a school. This subsection
    shall not apply to fireworks.
    (c) It shall be a Class I felony for any person to cause,
    encourage, or aid a minor who is less than 18 years old to
    possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any gun, rifle,
    pistol, or other firearm of any kind on educational property.
    However, this subsection does not apply to a BB gun, stun gun,
    air rifle, or air pistol.
    (c1)It shall be a Class G felony for any person to cause,
    encourage, or aid a minor who is less than 18 years old to
    possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any dynamite
    cartridge, bomb, grenade, mine, or powerful explosive as defined
    in G.S. 14-284.1 on educational property. This subsection shall
    not apply to fireworks.
    (d) It shall be a Class 1 misdemeanor for any person to
    possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any BB gun, stun
    gun, air rifle, air pistol, bowie knife, dirk, dagger,
    slungshot, leaded cane, switchblade knife, blackjack, metallic
    knuckles, razors and razor blades (except solely for personal
    shaving), firework, or any sharp-pointed or edged instrument
    except instructional supplies, unaltered nail files and clips
    and tools used solely for preparation of food, instruction, and
    maintenance, on educational property.
    (e) It shall be a Class 1 misdemeanor for any person to
    cause, encourage, or aid a minor who is less than 18 years old
    to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any BB gun,
    stun gun, air rifle, air pistol, bowie knife, dirk, dagger,
    slungshot, leaded cane, switchblade knife, blackjack, metallic
    knuckles, razors and razor blades (except solely for personal
    shaving), firework, or any sharp-pointed or edged instrument
    except instructional supplies, unaltered nail files and clips
    and tools used solely for preparation of food, instruction, and
    maintenance, on educational property.
    (f) Notwithstanding subsection (b) of this section it shall
    be a Class 1 misdemeanor rather than a Class I felony for any
    person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any
    gun, rifle, pistol, or other firearm of any kind, on educational
    property or to a curricular or extracurricular activity
    sponsored by a school if:
    (1) The person is not a student attending school on the
    educational property or an employee employed by the
    school working on the educational property; and
    (1a) The person is not a student attending a curricular
    or extracurricular activity sponsored by the school
    at which the student is enrolled or an employee
    attending a curricular or extracurricular activity
    sponsored by the school at which the employee is
    employed; and
    (2) Repealed by Session Laws 1999-211, s. 1, effective
    December 1, 1999, and applicable to offenses
    committed on or after that date.
    (3) The firearm is not loaded, is in a motor vehicle,
    and is in a locked container or a locked firearm
    rack.
    (4) Repealed by Session Laws 1999-211, s. 1, effective
    December 1, 1999, and applicable to offenses
    committed on or after that date.
    (g) This section shall not apply to:
    (1) A weapon used solely for educational or
    school-sanctioned ceremonial purposes, or used in a
    school-approved program conducted under the
    supervision of an adult whose supervision has been
    approved by the school authority;
    (1a) A person exempted by the provisions of G.S.
    14-269(b);
    (2) Firefighters, emergency service personnel, North
    Carolina Forest Service personnel, and any private
    police employed by an educational institution, when
    acting in the discharge of their official duties;
    (3) Home schools as defined in G.S. 115C-563(a); or
    (4) Weapons used for hunting purposes on the Howell
    Woods Nature Center property in Johnston County
    owned by Johnston Community College when used with
    the written permission of Johnston Community
    College.
    (h) No person shall be guilty of a criminal violation of this
    section so long as both of the following apply:
    (1) The person comes into possession of a weapon by
    taking or receiving the weapon from another person
    or by finding the weapon.
    (2) The person delivers the weapon, directly or
    indirectly, as soon as practical to law enforcement
    authorities. (1971, c. 241, ss. 1, 2; c. 1224;
    1991, c. 622, s. 1; 1993, c. 539, s. 164; c. 558,
    s. 1; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 14, s. 4(a), (b); 1995,
    c. 49, s. 1; 1997-238, s. 2; 1999-211, s. 1;
    1999-257, s. 3, 3.1; 2003-217, s. 1.)


    � 14-269.6. Possession and sale of spring-loaded projectile
    knives prohibited.
    (a)On and after October 1, 1986, it shall be unlawful for
    any person including law-enforcement officers of the State, or
    of any county, city, or town to possess, offer for sale, hold
    for sale, sell, give, loan, deliver, transport, manufacture or
    go armed with any spring-loaded projectile knife, a ballistic
    knife, or any weapon of similar character. Except that it shall
    be lawful for a law-enforcement agency to possess such weapons
    solely for evidentiary, education or training purposes.
    (b) Any person violating the provisions of this section shall
    be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. (1985 (Reg. Sess., 1986), c.
    810, s. 1; 1993, c. 539, s. 167; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s.
    14(c).)



    FULL TEXTs August 2005


    � 14-315. Selling or giving weapons to minors.
    (a) Sale of Weapons Other Than Handguns. � If a person sells, offers for sale, gives, or in any way transfers to a minor any pistol cartridge, brass knucks, bowie knife, dirk, shurikin, leaded cane, or slungshot, the person is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor and, in addition, shall forfeit the proceeds of any sale made in violation of this section.
    (a1) Sale of Handguns. � If a person sells, offers for sale, gives, or in any way transfers to a minor any handgun as defined in G.S. 14-269.7, the person is guilty of a Class H felony and, in addition, shall forfeit the proceeds of any sale made in violation of this section. This section does not apply in any of the following circumstances:
    (1) The handgun is lent to a minor for temporary use if the minor's possession of the handgun is lawful under G.S. 14-269.7 and G.S. 14-316 and is not otherwise unlawful.
    (2) The handgun is transferred to an adult custodian pursuant to Chapter 33A of the General Statutes, and the minor does not take possession of the handgun except that the adult custodian may allow the minor temporary possession of the handgun in circumstances in which the minor's possession of the handgun is lawful under G.S. 14-269.7 and G.S. 14-316 and is not otherwise unlawful.
    (3) The handgun is a devise or legacy and is distributed to a parent or guardian under G.S. 28A-22-7, and the minor does not take possession of the handgun except that the parent or guardian may allow the minor temporary possession of the handgun in circumstances in which the minor's possession of the handgun is lawful under G.S. 14-269.7 and G.S. 14-316 and is not otherwise unlawful.
    (b) Repealed by Session Laws 1993 (Reg. Sess., 1994), c. 597, s. 2.
    (b1) Defense. � It shall be a defense to a violation of this section if all of the following conditions are met:
    (1) The person shows that the minor produced an apparently valid permit to receive the weapon, if such a permit would be required under G.S. 14-402 or G.S. 14-409.1 for transfer of the weapon to an adult.
    (2) The person reasonably believed that the minor was not a minor.
    (3) The person either:
    a. Shows that the minor produced a drivers license, a special identification card issued under G.S. 20-37.7, a military identification card, or a passport, showing the minor's age to be at least the required age for purchase and bearing a physical description of the person named on the card reasonably describing the minor; or
    b. Produces evidence of other facts that reasonably indicated at the time of sale that the minor was at least the required age. (1893, c. 514; Rev., s. 3832; C.S., s. 4440; 1985, c. 199; 1993, c. 259, s. 3; 1993, c. 539, s. 217; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 1993 (Reg. Sess., 1994), c. 597, s. 2; 1996, 2nd Ex. Sess., c. 18, s. 20.13(b).)



    � 14-409.12. "Historic edged weapons" defined.
    The term "historic edged weapon" means any bayonet, trench knife, sword or dagger manufactured during or prior to World War II but in no event later than January 1, 1946. (1971, c. 133, s. 1.)


    ***

    � 105-80: Repealed by Session Laws 1996, Second Extra Session, c. 14, s. 17.
    Taxation. 105-80. (b) Other Weapons. - Every
    person, firm, or corporation who is engaged in the
    business of selling or offering for sale bowie knives,
    dirks, daggers... or similar weapons shall obtain a
    statewide license from the Secretary of Revenue for the
    privilege of engaging in business and shall pay a tax of
    $200 for the license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattus Vir View Post
    4.5 inches closed-

    "Knife about 4-1/2 inches in overall length which, when
    folded, was clearly designed for carrying in a pocket or
    purse, was an 'ordinary pocketknife' as defined by this
    section." (1989)
    Look at the commas.

    Knife about 4-1/2 inches in overall length which (COMMA)

    when folded (COMMA)

    was clearly designed for carrying in a pocket or
    purse (COMMA)

    was an 'ordinary pocketknife' as defined by this
    section." (1989)

    When discussing a folding pocket knife "overall length" is open measurement of both blade and handle.

    Example
    SOG Contractor I Knife. The SOG Contractor I Knife From SOG Specialty Knives & Tools
    Blade Length 2.625" x .1"
    Overall Length 6.25"

    Example
    CRKT M16 Zytel Series Folding Knives
    Open Overall Length 8.25 inches
    Closed Length 4.75 inches
    Blade Length 3.5 inches

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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Bullseye View Post
    Look at the commas.

    Knife about 4-1/2 inches in overall length which (COMMA)

    when folded (COMMA)

    was clearly designed for carrying in a pocket or
    purse (COMMA)

    was an 'ordinary pocketknife' as defined by this
    section." (1989)

    When discussing a folding pocket knife "overall length" is open measurement of both blade and handle.

    Example
    SOG Contractor I Knife. The SOG Contractor I Knife From SOG Specialty Knives & Tools
    Blade Length 2.625" x .1"
    Overall Length 6.25"

    Example
    CRKT M16 Zytel Series Folding Knives
    Open Overall Length 8.25 inches
    Closed Length 4.75 inches
    Blade Length 3.5 inches
    I am not going to war I just provided the statute. I stand where I started 3.5 inch blade will be my limit as I spend most of time in Durham working in and around Durham and Duke police officers for the entirety of my shifts. They provided me with the information I shared what they had provided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattus Vir View Post
    I am not going to war I just provided the statute. I stand where I started 3.5 inch blade will be my limit as I spend most of time in Durham working in and around Durham and Duke police officers for the entirety of my shifts. They provided me with the information I shared what they had provided.
    It's all good, I'm really not going to war either as you put it but all you did was repeat what I posted in post #10 of this thread in which I referenced the same case law you did as well as quoting the only statute (14-269) that refernces the length of a normal pocket knife by the statement

    ""ordinary pocket knife" means a
    small knife, designed for carrying in a pocket or purse,
    which has its cutting edge and point entirely enclosed by
    its handle, and that may not be opened by a throwing,
    explosive, or spring action... "

    Now as I also stated in that same post that I
    Haven't seen any charges for a regular pocket knife but just be sure you know that it's an officer discretion item as to what is a "normal" pocket knife.
    The point of all of this is that there is NO exact length that makes a pocket knife either acceptable for pocket carry or not. It's a discretionary call by the officer and then the DA.

    I carry a folding pocket knife too and the blade is right at 3.5 like you. I don't think we would ever have a problem with that length but you and I both know that you don't always encounter common sense and reason on every interaction with law enforcement.

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    While scrolling through some of the places I visit online I did find this link, sorry I tried to copy and paste but it would not allow me to do so. Unless I am misreading the text the legal length of knives vary from county to county from 3-4 inches. And there are certain places that no more than a 3 inch knife can be carried. Please correct me if I am not understanding what I read.


    www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USKnife2.pdf
    Last edited by Cattus Vir; August 14th, 2011 at 07:08 PM. Reason: forgot to add the link

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattus Vir View Post
    While scrolling through some of the places I visit online I did find this link, sorry I tried to copy and paste but it would not allow me to do so. Unless I am misreading the text the legal length of knives vary from county to county from 3-4 inches. And there are certain places that no more than a 3 inch knife can be carried. Please correct me if I am not understanding what I read.


    www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USKnife2.pdf
    You are 100% right, I didn't get into the muni code and the local ordinances for the odd ball cities just for that reason. We have some bizarre local ordinances on the books. Don't get caught with a knife that has over a 3 inch blade while your in a parade or street event in several cities. Don't get stopped in some cities with a knife over 3 inches even if its locked in the trunk in Raleigh. Sheesh

    These local ordinances are like the ones that prohibit open carry on some cities sidewalks. Sometimes I wish the NC statutes and local ordinances would get lost forever in a fire and we'd have to start again.
    Cattus Vir likes this.

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    well damn..I learned a lot today. I personally have an awesome S&W pocket knife my brother gave me a few years ago and I absolutely love it. I carry it every day all day. Great tool.

    And I think it's like 3.5"; not too sure...

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    I carry my S&W SWAT tactical folder most of the time on my strong side pocket or on the strong side waistline of sweatpants/shorts. But for a fannypack holster, I usually have it on the weak side part of it.

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    Spyderco endura straight blade with emmerson wave feature. Carry on my strong side front pocket. Super fast and super sharp.

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    Texas Law: 46.01-46.03 for me

    Spyderco Civilian offside left; high pocket

    Benchmade LDK strong side right; low pocket or appendix carry.

    Benchmade SNODY 3" w/ custom sheath for fixed (opened) neck/waistband carry

    Mercharness under armpit carry for a Strider MV.

    Tactical Tether carry for all sheathed blades. Google for info on tether and mercharness.

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    I've just got my Doug Ritter Griptillian (I think its the Mk2) full sized orange folding knife. I changed the pocket clip to the Harley Davidson one (silver). I think I'll stick with that for now. Not a primary means of self defense, but it will do if my two pistols crap out on me for some reason.

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    I pocket carry weak side my benchmade nitrous stryker



    And then I also carry OWB weak side my KA-BAR T.D.I. which I love as a secondary to my primary weapon.




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